Emails allegedly show Clinton lobbying lawmaker to pass FTA's she promised voters she'd oppose

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  1. speakhandsforme

    speakhandsforme Black Belt

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    What do leftist voters even say at this point?



    http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clin...ns-new-york-times-trade-bill-lobbying-2315809
     
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    Sounds like what pretty much everyone thinks of Clinton.
     
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    That's probably your next president people. Seriously if it's between her and one of those dip shit Republicans there is literally no one to cheer for.
     
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  5. So did she lie? Americans with their crypto text and email language. It seems like she is wondering why she called him.

    I don't see what that implies. Maybe some people can read minds?

    In any case I wish she'd come out for trade deal I think trade is the way forward. And think Obama is right on TPP. I will also be upset if she lied.
     
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    speakhandsforme Black Belt

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    "Trade is the way forward?"

    What kind of vague opinion is that? Of course trade is necessary. What's isn't necessary is trade that exploits foreign citizens and undercuts American citizens. Those agreements only serve suppliers.

    If there was an email in which she said "I really support burning black children as an alternative fuel source," would you come back and say, "you know guys, black baby burning really might be the best route here?" This is a joke of course, but it seems like you'll conform your support to any shitty corporate position she is found to take.
     
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    Im afraid you might be right but I will not give up hope on Bernie til I have no choice. I will not vote for Hillary I dont care how hard the democrats try to guilt me. I dont want to hear the JVS crap about even if your guy doesnt win you still gotta support the party. No I dont. Id rather say screw it and help the republicans win the election in hopes that the democrats learn a lesson and stop trying to make me vote for this chick
     
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  9. Why are you thinking about the burning of black children? Jk I know it's a joke but it's one I don't understand. It rubs me wrong.

    This is not true I oppose bad trade deals and I support Obama more than I do Clinton. I think Hillary may in fact actually at her core support TPP for the greater good of America. If that is the case I wish she would stop lying and come out in support of TPP.

    I also, like I said I think trade is the way forward. What I mean by that is that good trade is a way forward for our nation economically. I also study economics in addition to finance so I always look at the overall net positives to the economy. I care about net gains, positive increases, and efficient outcomes. No matter what we do people will lose jobs one way or another. The best thing we can do is look forward and aim to get Americans into fields and industries which have a future in this world, not in preserving dying fields of work and low wage manufacturing jobs. We need to look ahead.
     
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    I'm not giving up either. I ride or die for my man Bernie. I live in a state that will probably end up voting Republican anyway so unless I have to there is almost no way I would vote for that liar. It's like she has no soul. She will do whatever she has to do to get votes and further herself and her family.

    I agree.
     
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    She ultimately represented Obama when she was Sec of State.
     
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    Maybe I'm being dense, but what is the problem with these emails? I didn't see her doing what she is accused of.
     
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    You could interpret the context to mean "if he's so staunchly in favor, why would I even try changing his mind." However, I would say that's a pretty reaching interpretation considering the other senator (Reed) who she was wanting to contact to sway has been very much against the deals. The fact that she would want to influence someone who voted against the deals but would say "why would i need to call him" to a guy already in support of them is pretty indicative of an intention to mobilize Democratic members to be in favor of the FTA's.
     
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    Thanks for explaining. Was she perhaps trying to influence the FTA opposition to mobilize and argue the opposition side, and therefore didn't want to waste her time trying to mobilize a person already strongly in their favor? I don't have any point of reference to determine that. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, and either reality would not surprise me.
     
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    Allegedly???


    Original Message
    From: Rodriguez, Miguel E
    Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:06 PM
    To: '[email protected]
    ' <[email protected]
    >; Adams, David S

    Subject: Re: FTA calls

    I understand Webb was identified by USTR as having some concerns. But quite obviously they had bad intel.
    Thank you for placing the calls.
     
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    Yes. Allegedly. It shows the text you quoted, but as discussed above, that's a discussion of Webb's position, not Clintons. It's not very good evidence unless you already were predisposed to think the conclusion is true.

    That means allegedly is the proper term, as people have stated it shows support, but it could easily be interpreted as not showing support.
     
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    She's a snake in the grass.

    I call her, Hillasnake.
     
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    Voting for Hillary is no better than voting for the Republicans, shes a Republican in disguise and always has been. She uses the fact that she has a vagina to try to lock down the black ,female, and hispanic vote. She's not a liberal at all, she's for the corporate status quo all the way. All I hear about is socialism this and socialism that, but it's Bernie or another republican, those are the choices.
     
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    nice try she isn't cut from republican cloth, you obviously don't know your own party
     
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    Stopping those free trade agreements with China really helped... oh wait..
     

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