Elections elon musk the liar - election fraud

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Now add in both Trump and Elon, one a billionaire and former president and the other the richest person in the world, both of which OWN THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, whining about being silenced and not having freedom of speech. Has there ever been two people in the history of the world with greater reach and larger microphones, I wonder. Just think about how absurd the notion is.
Its not absurd at all. Being silenced can be more complex then you are describing it. Billionaires who own their own platform cant be completely silenced so long as those platforms are allowed to exist. That doesnt mean some form of silencing elsewhere on other platforms or other areas communication arent or cant take place. When Musk has writing from the eu about misinformation and the consequences of allowing it, is he not entitled to feel like there is an attempt to silence him and his platform?
 
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That was a completely good faith response from me. So I'm going to go ahead and think you don't know what you're talking about because it does clearly state that Elon musk created fake texts and fake sites that impersonate the Kamala Harris campaign and spread misinformation as if it was coming from their lips.

I would never leave up a misleading threat or title if it was shown to be wrong. And I am perfectly happy to be corrected here if it is wrong.

Actually, your article says that a super pac funded by Musk created fake text and ads.

Is that sort or underhandedness similar to claiming Trump made disparaging remarks about a murdered military person only to have the person's family and the family's attorney call the article out for bs and outright lies?


And no, that isn't a defense of Musk; if all of this is true, its a simple statement of don't cry foul when your side is slinging bullshit as well.
 
It is almost certainly illegal to do it the way he just did it though because he's impersonating someone else's campaign intentionally and that is probably fraud.

Has she not called for those things at 1 time or another? And hasn't her VP signed a bill to allow the state to take your kid if you don't allow them to transition?

It may or may not be legal (I doubt they broke an actual law), but its hardly the dastardly stuff you guys are pretending.
 
It's website, not web sight. One is an informational resource on the internet, the other is spotting a spider web.
Actually, your article says that a super pac funded by Musk created fake text and ads.

Is that sort or underhandedness similar to claiming Trump made disparaging remarks about a murdered military person only to have the person's family and the family's attorney call the article out for bs and outright lies?


And no, that isn't a defense of Musk; if all of this is true, its a simple statement of don't cry foul when your side is slinging bullshit as well.
You need to calm down and not be so partisan.. How do you know I don't call out that b******* on the other side?

And also let's make accurate distinctions here okay. Trump was the president of the United States and is a former president and you don't get to compare anything he says or approves of or allows Elon to do to some senator, congressman or woman or CNN News pundit because they all dont hold the authority Trump holds.

What Biden said recently about Trump voters being trash... that is comparable but Biden walked it back instantly and whether you think he meant the comments or not, that was the right and good thing to do. Biden's comments in that respect are still despicable and divisive and no one, especially the president of the United States should ever make them.

But what musk was doing is intentionally slandering a presidential candidate. Do you see Trump anywhere condemning it? Or do you see Trump personally participating in a slew of similar kinds of lies? Has he made a statement condemning musk's actions and saying that they're undemocratic and that nobody should be doing anything like that??

The bottom line is if you compare the lies and underhanded techniques of both sides. It will never come out in favor of Kamala being worse or the Democrats being worse. It is also true that the Republicans aren't even the root cause. It's just simply an issue about Trump who is a profound liar and who has degrading American politics on all sides. But still the Republicans hold the Lion's share of responsibility because they should be calling out Trump from their own side vehemently and for the most part they are not.

Maybe it's by happenstance. Maybe it's totally random, but your side suddenly has a viper in its midst and there seems to be little or no moral courage to call it out. I do not believe the same thing could happen on the left at this point. Maybe we could come to a place like that, but right now if any candidate told half the lies and was half as divisive as Trump, that candidate would fail in the Democratic party.
 
Don’t worry if Harris wins I’m sure her DOJ will target him more



 
Well, suddenly this PAC's subterfuge is a lot less scandalous.
Is the subterfuge scandalous or is it the monetary giveaway that's illegal? If Elon was using ads to get those signatures I don't think there would be a problem.
 
Is the subterfuge scandalous or is it the monetary giveaway that's illegal? If Elon was using ads to get those signatures I don't think there would be a problem.
Nothing here is illegal. This is just turning a stone over to shine some sunlight under a rock that the people under the rock don't want to be shined on.
 
You need to calm down and not be so partisan.. How do you know I don't call out that b******* on the other side?

And also let's make accurate distinctions here okay. Trump was the president of the United States and is a former president and you don't get to compare anything he says or approves of or allows Elon to do to some senator, congressman or woman or CNN News pundit because they all dont hold the authority Trump holds.

What Biden said recently about Trump voters being trash... that is comparable but Biden walked it back instantly and whether you think he meant the comments or not, that was the right and good thing to do. Biden's comments in that respect are still despicable and divisive and no one, especially the president of the United States should ever make them.

But what musk was doing is intentionally slandering a presidential candidate. Do you see Trump anywhere condemning it? Or do you see Trump personally participating in a slew of similar kinds of lies? Has he made a statement condemning musk's actions and saying that they're undemocratic and that nobody should be doing anything like that??

The bottom line is if you compare the lies and underhanded techniques of both sides. It will never come out in favor of Kamala being worse or the Democrats being worse. It is also true that the Republicans aren't even the root cause. It's just simply an issue about Trump who is a profound liar and who has degrading American politics on all sides. But still the Republicans hold the Lion's share of responsibility because they should be calling out Trump from their own side vehemently and for the most part they are not.

Maybe it's by happenstance. Maybe it's totally random, but your side suddenly has a viper in its midst and there seems to be little or no moral courage to call it out. I do not believe the same thing could happen on the left at this point. Maybe we could come to a place like that, but right now if any candidate told half the lies and was half as divisive as Trump, that candidate would fail in the Democratic party.

1st- Show me 1 post of you denouncing what turned out to be lies against Trump.

2nd- If Trump is responsible for Musk, then Haris is responsible for all of her supporters as well.

3rd- you didn't address the fact that the fake ads were made by a super pac that Musk funds. We have no idea if Musk is involved in day to day operations.

Finally- pretty sure that those "fake ads" are all views that either Harris or her VP nominee have stated at one time or another.
 
1st- Show me 1 post of you denouncing what turned out to be lies against Trump.

2nd- If Trump is responsible for Musk, then Haris is responsible for all of her supporters as well.

3rd- you didn't address the fact that the fake ads were made by a super pac that Musk funds. We have no idea if Musk is involved in day to day operations.

Finally- pretty sure that those "fake ads" are all views that either Harris or her VP nominee have stated at one time or another.
I have stated several times that the left often exaggerates what Trump says and misinterprets it somewhat willingly.

I'm not going to show you but if you're willing to put in the work you could find posts of me doing that. But also in fairness to the left that does interpret him sometimes disingenuously. It is usually the case that Trump is intentionally practicing double speak so that people take different meanings from his words so that he can divide people and cause division hatred and chaos. That's because he's a sadist and enjoys watching people be hurt and he enjoys dividing people and getting people to fight one another. And this has been known forever in his business dealings also and as a narcissist he does this primarily so that he's the only real authority anyone can turn to for anything reliable.

If the left freaks out about his speech, it's only because he intentionally crafts his speech so that will happen. So I think you can hardly blame the left even though they do share responsibility for their own reactions.

He simply can't allow anyone else to have any power. He has to secretly undermine everyone so that only he stands alone as the one who is something worth following.

This is all transparent to anybody who's done any inner work at all on themselves.

The second two points are just dumb and frankly require no response.

But the third is interesting because you are trying to lie and obfuscate the point which is that musk's super pac intentionally pretended to be the Kamala campaign which is a despicable underhanded kind of lie. Interesting that you left the most despicable underhanded and probably illegal part out...

It doesn't matter if she holds those positions. It matters that they lied about who they were and said certain things to the wrong people to help her lose votes dishonestly.
 
I have stated several times that the left often exaggerates what Trump says and misinterprets it somewhat willingly.

I'm not going to show you but if you're willing to put in the work you could find posts of me doing that. But also in fairness to the left that does interpret him sometimes disingenuously. It is usually the case that Trump is intentionally practicing double speak so that people take different meanings from his words so that he can divide people and cause division hatred and chaos. That's because he's a sadist and enjoys watching people be hurt and he enjoys dividing people and getting people to fight one another. And this has been known forever in his business dealings also and as a narcissist he does this primarily so that he's the only real authority anyone can turn to for anything reliable.

If the left freaks out about his speech, it's only because he intentionally crafts his speech so that will happen. So I think you can hardly blame the left even though they do share responsibility for their own reactions.

He simply can't allow anyone else to have any power. He has to secretly undermine everyone so that only he stands alone as the one who is something worth following.

This is all transparent to anybody who's done any inner work at all on themselves.

The second two points are just dumb and frankly require no response.

But the third is interesting because you are trying to lie and obfuscate the point which is that musk's super pac intentionally pretended to be the Kamala campaign which is a despicable underhanded kind of lie. Interesting that you left the most despicable underhanded and probably illegal part out...

It doesn't matter if she holds those positions. It matters that they lied about who they were and said certain things to the wrong people to help her lose votes dishonestly.

I'll grant that its a lie to pretend to be part of her campaign if they did so, but if those are her stated views then they are her views.

And how is it a lie to say Musk funds the pac and we don't know if he's involved in day to day ops?
 
I'll grant that its a lie to pretend to be part of her campaign if they did so, but if those are her stated views then they are her views.

And how is it a lie to say Musk funds the pac and we don't know if he's involved in day to day ops?
If they did so is it not a luxury you get to have in this circumstance because they did so. It's not debatable. They practiced fraud and isn't that interesting that people associated with the Trump campaign practice fraud since Trump is an absolute fraudster and con man.?

You can believe whatever you want about musk knowing or not knowing, it doesn't matter. It's his pack and he's responsible for it happening. And personally, I find it impossible to believe that he didn't at least see the ads he's paying for.
 
Nothing here is illegal. This is just turning a stone over to shine some sunlight under a rock that the people under the rock don't want to be shined on.

Targeted advertising is nothing new.

What Elons doing with this PAC lottery is illegal though. Problem is with Elons lawyers admission in court. Case against him is a convoluted mess that hinges towards money laundering/bribes instead as the leading charges.
 
Targeted advertising is nothing new.

What Elons doing with this PAC lottery is illegal though. Problem is with Elons lawyers admission in court. Case against him is a convoluted mess that hinges towards money laundering/bribes instead as the leading charges.
Sure bud
 
musk using his wealth to help elect trump = bad

soros using his wealth to elect leftists world wide, destroy justice and immigration systems world wide = good/great/fantastic/not happening
 
Targeted advertising is nothing new.

What Elons doing with this PAC lottery is illegal though. Problem is with Elons lawyers admission in court. Case against him is a convoluted mess that hinges towards money laundering/bribes instead as the leading charges.

It's pretty clear that even if it may be technically legal, it's intentionally schemed in way to target a loophole.

Elon is trying to pay people to vote without directly paying them to vote.
 
I'm not going to show you but if you're willing to put in the work you could find posts of me doing that. But also in fairness to the left that does interpret him sometimes disingenuously. It is usually the case that Trump is intentionally practicing double speak so that people take different meanings from his words so that he can divide people and cause division hatred and chaos. That's because he's a sadist and enjoys watching people be hurt and he enjoys dividing people and getting people to fight one another. And this has been known forever in his business dealings also and as a narcissist he does this primarily so that he's the only real authority anyone can turn to for anything reliable.

If the left freaks out about his speech, it's only because he intentionally crafts his speech so that will happen. So I think you can hardly blame the left even though they do share responsibility for their own reactions.

He simply can't allow anyone else to have any power. He has to secretly undermine everyone so that only he stands alone as the one who is something worth following.

This is all transparent to anybody who's done any inner work at all on themselves.

The second two points are just dumb and frankly require no response.

But the third is interesting because you are trying to lie and obfuscate the point which is that musk's super pac intentionally pretended to be the Kamala campaign which is a despicable underhanded kind of lie. Interesting that you left the most despicable underhanded and probably illegal part out...

It doesn't matter if she holds those positions. It matters that they lied about who they were and said certain things to the wrong people to help her lose votes dishonestly.

I'll speak up for you.

2 days ago u said that the liberal cancel culture is a problem in academia in regards to speaking out against trans issues.

I really don't agree, but you are telling the truth.

From what I can tell here, I have seen most of, if not all lefties shit on the Democrats at this point at various times, myself included.

It's hilarious to act for right wing cultist to act like lefties don't criticize the left.

Like homie, we are literally voting in an election where the Democratic candidate had to drop out because left wing voters revolted against a senile incumbent lmao.
 
Hate Elon or love Elon, at least he his putting his name and face out there and being transparent on his intentions (for better or for worse)

The vast majority of the ultra wealthy don't want people to know who they vote for for good reason - their interests are NOT our interests
 
I'll speak up for you.

2 days ago u said that the liberal cancel culture is a problem in academia in regards to speaking out against trans issues.

I really don't agree, but you are telling the truth.

From what I can tell here, I have seen most of, if not all lefties shit on the Democrats at this point at various times, myself included.

It's hilarious to act for right wing cultist to act like lefties don't criticize the left.

Like homie, we are literally voting in an election where the Democratic candidate had to drop out because left wing voters revolted against a senile incumbent lmao.
Thanks for speaking up and I'll make one subtle correction which is I didn't really mean that the main issue was trans in this University. It was just they had got really crazy and she said people were literally walking around on tiptoes to avoid all kinds of traps and trouble from the woke left

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And the thing about that couple man is they are on the left... No doubt they are firm Demi.

But I'm sure it exists because in my personal life a huge chunk of my family and social circle is left and if you step out of line even a little bit they wouldn't be mean to me
.. they know I was a Bernie supporter but they raise their voice and they get a little too loud and they don't want to listen to subtle points and I guess that's everywhere. But it is on the left too.

One person said to me the other day if you end up going right wing I'm not going to be able to swallow that pill.
And I can tell you man,.rhere is no possibility whatsoever that I would end up on the right. I fundamentally disagree with him on almost everything but yet if you bring up points against the left with the left they don't want to hear it and I can't relate to that.
 
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