Crime Elon Musk is having secret convos with Putin

Madmick said:
And of course you can hurl the tears about ignorance, but not substantiate them. I take it you're still sore after the last time I humbled you in front of the forum. I'm here to fact check partisan hacks. I don't care if you find it inconvenient.

-- Trump never repealed the Magnitsky Act.
-- Trump supplied anti-tank missiles and other weaponry to the Ukraine.
-- According to Democrats and their careerist mouthpieces like former CIA Director John Brennan, "Russia would be able to have its way in Ukraine and Syria.” Yet Putin didn't invade and initiate his war against the Ukraine during Trump's presidency. He did that during Biden's Presidency. Russia also established military bases in Syria during Obama's regime. Trump bombed Assad's military bases in Syria. US forces trained Ukrainian troops back in 2017. US forces in Syria even engaged, repelled, and caused heavy casualties to Russians in Syria in 2018 under Trump. Hm, something doesn't add up, Mr. Brennan.
-- Trump successfully utilized his unconventional tactics into prodding European leaders into spending $50bn more on NATO defense in 2019 than they spent in 2016. That's equivalent to the entire defense budget of France. This wasn't to make up a deficit from the US. Trump's administration contributed $48bn more to NATO in 2019 than 2016. All he achieved was to strengthen NATO significantly.
-- the years-long Mueller investigation found no evidence of a conspiracy between Trump's administration and the Russian state.
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Concession accepted, lmaoooo
 
Rod1 said:
Forgot the part where Trump ordered MAGA to block Ukraine's military aid for 6 critical months during which Russia gained a lot of momentum.

But sure, they are afraid of Trump and his dealmaking abilities.

en.wikipedia.org

Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act - Wikipedia

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They literally had to make executive orders into law because Trump was considering undoing them, you mistake the heavy neocon influence and Trump's relative inexperience at the time with "being tough on Russia".
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I covered this too but mid bitch is a little slow on the head.
 
Madmick said:
I'm as anti-Putin as anyone on this board
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Rod1 said:
<YeahOKJen>
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I challenge you to find a single post where I have advocated a position that was pro-Russian, pro-Putin, or in Russian interests. Find me one where I encouraged any policy favoring less aid to the Ukraine. You have tens of thousands of posts over decades to choose from.

I'll wait.
 
Rod1 said:
Forgot the part where Trump ordered MAGA to block Ukraine's military aid for 6 critical months during which Russia gained a lot of momentum.

But sure, they are afraid of Trump and his dealmaking abilities.

en.wikipedia.org

Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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You're complaining about an Act Trump signed into law in 2017? And you're forwarding this as an assertion they did so to force the reification of executive orders due to the delay in aid disbursements that came in 2019? LOL.
The Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) is a United States federal law that imposed sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Russia. The bill was passed by the Senate on July 27, 2017, 98–2,[1] after it passed the House 419–3. It was signed into law on August 2, 2017, by President Donald Trump...

Here's the timeline on all this:
  • Dec. 2017
    President Trump approves the first provision of lethal, defensive aid to Ukraine, widening a program of heightened assistance initiated by the Obama administration after Russia’s 2014 seizure of Ukrainian territory in Crimea.

  • Sept. 28, 2018
    Trump signs into law a 2019 spending bill that includes $250 million in Defense Department funding for direct military aid to Ukraine.

  • Feb. 15, 2019
    Trump signs into law another 2019 spending bill that includes $141 million in State Department funding for Ukraine’s military needs.

  • Feb. 28, 2019
    Defense Department Undersecretary for Policy John C. Rood tells Congress the Pentagon will start disbursing the first half of its aid to Ukraine.

  • April 21, 2019
    Actor and comedian Vlodymyr Zelensky is elected president of Ukraine by a wide margin, instantly becoming a target of pressure from the White House to announce two investigations, one into Ukraine’s alleged support for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election and the other into lucrative business ties former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, established in 2014 with a company in Ukraine. The campaign begins with an order by the White House a few days later for the removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

  • May 3, 2019
    Trump discusses Ukraine with Russian president Vladimir Putin in a telephone call, including what Trump described as the “Russia Hoax,” namely the intelligence community’s unanimous judgment that it was Russia that intervened in 2016 to help get him elected.

  • May 13, 2019
    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban meets with Trump at the White House and criticizes Ukraine, according to testimony by a White House aide.

  • May 14, 2019
    Trump blocks Vice President Pence from attending Zelensky’s May 20 inauguration, according to a Pence aide’s testimony. He instead sends Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Special Ukraine Representative Kurt Volker, and Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. The three of them – as the self-described “Three Amigos” – wind up helming a campaign in coordination with Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to pressure Zelensky about the probes.

  • May 23, 2019
    After an internal administration review, Rood, a former senior VP at the Lockheed Martin Corp. and missile analyst at the CIA, notifies Congress in a letter that Ukraine “has taken substantial actions ... for the purposes of decreasing corruption [and] increasing accountability.” He adds that “there remain areas that require significant attention,” but states that Ukraine has met all conditions for the remaining U.S. aid to be provided. On the same day, Trump tells the Three Amigos in an Oval Office meeting that they should “talk to Rudy” Giuliani about Ukraine policy.

  • June 18, 2019
    The Defense Department announces it plans to release its aid to Ukraine, provoking a newspaper article that in turn causes Trump to ask for details of the program.

  • June 19, 2019
    Trump raises concerns about the Ukraine aid through OMB officials and, in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News, repeats a debunked claim that Ukraine played a role in concealing a computer server used by Hillary Clinton.

  • June 21, 2019
    The State Department tells the Office of Management and Budget it plans to spend the $141 million.

  • July 3, 2019
    The Office of Management and Budget blocks the State Department from proceeding.

  • July 10, 2019
    At a White House meeting, Sondland tells the head of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council that Ukraine must say it is conducting the investigations of Biden’s son and the 2016 election that Trump seeks, before Trump will meet with Zelensky. Zelensky’s aides respond in following weeks that he doesn’t want to be pulled into domestic American politics.

  • July 12, 2019
    All Ukraine aid is blocked at the President’s direct request, according to a message sent by a top White House official to OMB.

  • July 18, 2019
    A junior official at OMB informs more than a dozen officials at multiple agencies during a government teleconference that Defense Department aid to Ukraine is being withheld at the direction of the president, without providing any explanation.

  • July 19, 2019
    Sondland tells Zelensky in a phone call that he must initiate and announce the desired investigations, according to Sondland’s testimony.

  • July 23, 2019
    At a high-level government meeting on Ukraine, defense officials in particular raise concerns about the legality of the aid suspension. Those concerns are restated at a similar meeting on July 26.

  • July 25, 2019
    Volker tells a top aide to Zelensky it’s imperative that Zelensky say he is announcing the investigations, if he wants a visit to Washington. Zelensky then speaks with Trump on the telephone, saying he wants to continue military cooperation with America and that “we are almost ready to buy” more anti-tank missiles. Trump responds that “I would like you to do us a favor though,” and lists the investigations he wants. Ukrainian officials in Washington immediately raise questions with U.S. officials about the status of the military aid.

  • July 30, 2019
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper tells other top officials at a high-level meeting on Ukraine that legally, the administration will have to inform Congress if it wants to suspend the aid. No notification is made.

  • July 31, 2019
    Trump again speaks with Putin on the phone, and Ukraine is among their topics.

  • August 2019
    Ukrainian embassy officials express concerns about the status of the aid program in conversations with Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council officer responsible for Ukraine, and with Catherine Croft, the State Department’s special adviser for Ukraine, according to their testimony.

  • Aug. 9, 2019
    Two congressional committee leaders tell OMB in a letter that withholding the State Department funding for Ukraine may be illegal.

  • Aug. 12, 2019
    A CIA officer who worked at the White House and then returned to the agency files a whistleblower complaint alleging improper White House dealings surrounding the Ukraine aid program.

  • Aug. 9 -13, 2019
    Volker and Sondland draft the text of an acceptable statement for Zelensky to read about the requested investigations, with the help of Giuliani. But a top aide to Zelensky balks.

  • Mid-August 2019
    National Security Adviser John Bolton meets with Trump to try to persuade him to resume military aid to Ukraine. He is not successful and resigns on Sept. 10 after multiple disagreements with Trump.

  • Aug. 19, 2019
    Two additional congressional committee leaders urge OMB in a letter to release the State Department funding for Ukraine.

  • Aug. 28, 2019
    The withholding of military aid to Ukraine becomes public in a Politico article. But the article quotes an unnamed senior official attributing the decision only to Trump’s desire to ensure “U.S. interests are being prioritized” and other countries are “paying their fair share” – the first of many different explanations offered by the White House to explain the interruption.

  • Aug. 30, 2019
    Sondland privately tells Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., he thinks the reason for withholding the aid is Trump’s desire to force the investigations. Trump privately confirms this to Johnson the following day, according to Johnson.

  • Sept. 1, 2019
    Sondland tells a top Zelensky aide, Andriy Yermak, that U.S. assistance is unlikely to flow until Ukraine provided the desired public statement, according to Sondland. Yermak disputes hearing this, however.

  • Early September 2019
    Zelensky makes an appointment to appear on CNN, where he plans to make the desired statement.

  • Sept. 10
    House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam B. Schiff, D-Calif., demands to see the whistleblower complaint.

  • Sept. 11
    OMB releases the Ukraine aid.

  • Sept. 18 or 19
    Zelensky cancels his CNN interview.

  • Sept. 30, 2019
    The deadline for all 2019 federal spending, by which time all the Ukraine aid was supposed to be disbursed, or it would be automatically cancelled. Ultimately, $35 million was not spent in time but the deadline was extended in new legislation passed Sept. 19.
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Adam Schiff. Remember? The guy who kept caterwauling at the top of his lungs malfeasance regarding these issues would be unearthed by Mueller's report. Yet that report was published, and there was...nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Once again, just as with NATO, a case study demonstrating Trump's unexpectedly successful tactics at leveraging European leaders into spending more on NATO, the entire point of withholding the aid was a tactic to get them to fund a larger share of aid to the Ukraine. He understood Americans are tired with being burdened with such an disproportionate load of these aid deals (only to be vilified in the years to follow by hypocritical anti-American posters around the world for being a warmongering nation that feeds a global war machine).
Rod1 said:
They literally had to make executive orders into law because Trump was considering undoing them, you mistake the heavy neocon influence and Trump's relative inexperience at the time with "being tough on Russia".
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WTF does this mean? They "literally" had to pass a law that would entrench executive orders which were already in place because you speculate he might have repealed them with overriding executive orders, but never did, and they did this by passing an act that would arrive on his desk, anyway? If this goal was to buy Russia time to "build momentum" then why wouldn't he have merely veto'd it to delay it, and force them to repeat a supermajority? What were the critical 6 months, and what momentum was being built?
 
Madmick said:
You're complaining about an Act Trump signed into law in 2017? And you're forwarding this as an assertion they did so to force the reification of executive orders due to the delay in aid disbursements that came in 2019? LOL.
The Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) is a United States federal law that imposed sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Russia. The bill was passed by the Senate on July 27, 2017, 98–2,[1] after it passed the House 419–3. It was signed into law on August 2, 2017, by President Donald Trump...

Here's the timeline on all this:

Adam Schiff. Remember? The guy who kept caterwauling at the top of his lungs malfeasance regarding these issues would be unearthed by Mueller's report. Yet that report was published, and there was...nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Once again, just as with NATO, a case study demonstrating Trump's unexpectedly successful tactics at leveraging European leaders into spending more on NATO, the entire point of withholding the aid was a tactic to get them to fund a larger share of aid to the Ukraine. He understood Americans are tired with being burdened with such an disproportionate load of these aid deals (only to be vilified in the years to follow by hypocritical anti-American posters around the world for being a warmongering nation that feeds a global war machine).

WTF does this mean? They "literally" had to pass a law that would entrench executive orders which were already in place because you speculate he might have repealed them with overriding executive orders, but never did, and they did this by passing an act that would arrive on his desk, anyway? If this goal was to buy Russia time to "build momentum" then why wouldn't he have merely veto'd it to delay it, and force them to repeat a supermajority? What were the critical 6 months, and what momentum was being built?
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Lol stick to videogames.
 
Madmick said:
I challenge you to find a single post where I have advocated a position that was pro-Russian, pro-Putin, or in Russian interests. Find me one where I encouraged any policy favoring less aid to the Ukraine. You have tens of thousands of posts over decades to choose from.

I'll wait.
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Your claim that "Donald Trump is tough on Putin" is LITERALLY Russian propaganda you have Solovyov and others openly saying that they prefer Donald Trump

Maybe you aren't a Putinist chill but clearly you are being part of Donnie's fangirl club so that by definition puts you on the pro-Putin camp.
 
Madmick said:
You're complaining about an Act Trump signed into law in 2017?
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Trump literally OPENLY said he was not ok with the legislation and the legislation passed with like 95% of votes so he would had been overridden anyway.

You are basically claiming that Neocons and Dems working together to oppose Russia means Donnie is "tough on Putin", ridiculous assertion.
 
You libs are the worst that ever came on this earth recently, once a great empire, you will be your own downfall.
 
Madmick said:
WTF does this mean? They "literally" had to pass a law that would entrench executive orders which were already in place because you speculate he might have repealed them with overriding executive orders, but never did, and they did this by passing an act that would arrive on his desk, anyway? If this goal was to buy Russia time to "build momentum" then why wouldn't he have merely veto'd it to delay it, and force them to repeat a supermajority? What were the critical 6 months, and what momentum was being built?
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You clearly have not been following Ukraine-Russian war developments because you are confusing super basic stuff by like 5 years.
 
Trump being tough on Russia:

Suggests lifting sanctions and bonus for giving China Taiwan

Totally not a Russian simp Flynn arrested for working with Russians on sanctions. (From Mueller investigation that "found nothing wrong" lmao).

Very normal stuff. I wonder if this was the binder full of operatives that started to disappear all over the world?

Trump wanted to partner with Russia on cyber security, lmao

Toughest president on Russia...lifting sanctions on Russian oligarch.

Super tough look at him congratulating Putin on his "win"

Here's trump being tough on Russia he's trying to get them back in the G7/8. SO TOUGH!

Fucked over our Kurdish allies to the benefit of.... Wait for it.... Russia!

I can go on @Madmick

Concession accepted.
 
Rod1 said:
Your claim that "Donald Trump is tough on Putin" is LITERALLY Russian propaganda you have Solovyov and others openly saying that they prefer Donald Trump
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You are forwarding mutually exclusive claims. First, you assert "Donald Trump is tough on Putin" is propaganda, then in the same sentence alleged a Russian media propagandist is pro-Trump. This sentence is as much of a mess as the assertions you attempted to make about Ukrainian aid timelines and US legislation in response.

Understand, too, the nature of logic. Certainly the Russians don't like Biden (psst: Putin hates Hillary Clinton most of all). That doesn't mean Trump is pro-Putin.

I'm pointing out plain truths. Trump strengthened relationship with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE more than any previous President, and these are the Middle Eastern countries most hostile to Russian foreign interests. His administration was decidely anti-Russian, and anti-Syrian. Here was an actual Russian government official in late 2017:

Rod1 said:
Maybe you aren't a Putinist chill but clearly you are being part of Donnie's fangirl club so that by definition puts you on the pro-Putin camp.
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Nope. I'm anti-Trump. I just don't suffer TDS. I'm capable of being objective on these matters.
 
Madmick said:
You are forwarding mutually exclusive claims. First, you assert "Donald Trump is tough on Putin" is propaganda, then in the same sentence alleged a Russian media propagandist is pro-Trump. This sentence is as much of a mess as the assertions you attempted to make about Ukrainian aid timelines and US legislation in response.
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Madmick said:
Understand, too, the nature of logic. Certainly the Russians don't like Biden (psst: Putin hates Hillary Clinton most of all). That doesn't mean Trump is pro-Putin.
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No, Trump is pro-Putin because he wants to cut military aid to Ukraine, he managed to get Mike Johnson to keep Ukraine dry for 6 months.


Madmick said:
I'm pointing out plain truths. Trump strengthened relationship with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE more than any previous President, and these are the Middle Eastern countries most hostile to Russian foreign interests.
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LOL at Israel being unfriendly to Russia, only recently that Russia became Iranian best buddies did Netanyahu got cold feet.

Before they were more than glad to sell American military secrets to Moscow.

theintercept.com

How Israeli-Designed Drones Became Russia’s Eyes in the Sky for Defending Bashar al-Assad

Russia’s Israeli-designed drones are emblematic of the complicated relationship between the two countries over Syria.
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Madmick said:
His administration was decidely anti-Russian, and anti-Syrian. Here was an actual Russian government official in late 2017:


Nope. I'm anti-Trump. I just don't suffer TDS. I'm capable of being objective on these matters.
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Yup, when neocons hadn't yet resigned en-masse and were still running the show.

 
Madmick said:
You are forwarding mutually exclusive claims. First, you assert "Donald Trump is tough on Putin" is propaganda, then in the same sentence alleged a Russian media propagandist is pro-Trump. This sentence is as much of a mess as the assertions you attempted to make about Ukrainian aid timelines and US legislation in response.
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Cmon dude, there is a reason why Kremlin paid off Tenet media to boost the MAGA agenda. There is a reason why they have "allegedly" paid off MAGA prophets like JBP and Tucker Carlson too. Why would they go through the effort to support an "Anti-Russia" candidate?

Madmick said:
I'm pointing out plain truths. Trump strengthened relationship with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE more than any previous President, and these are the Middle Eastern countries most hostile to Russian foreign interests.
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Wtf are you talking about. None of these guys are in NATO...they also are small fry. NK wants Trump in. They are Russia's biggest allies. So that cancels that out.

www.bbc.com

Kim Jong Un wants Trump back, elite defector tells BBC

The highest-ranking defector to escape North Korea in years, Ri Il Kyu has met Kim Jong Un seven times.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Madmick said:
Nope. I'm anti-Trump. I just don't suffer TDS. I'm capable of being objective on these matters.
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You are Anti-Anti-Trump {<Scared}

I do enjoy your posts though.
 
Rod1 said:
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No, Trump is pro-Putin because he wants to cut military aid to Ukraine, he managed to get Mike Johnson to keep Ukraine dry for 6 months.



LOL at Israel being unfriendly to Russia, only recently that Russia became Iranian best buddies did Netanyahu got cold feet.

Before they were more than glad to sell American military secrets to Moscow.

theintercept.com

How Israeli-Designed Drones Became Russia’s Eyes in the Sky for Defending Bashar al-Assad

Russia’s Israeli-designed drones are emblematic of the complicated relationship between the two countries over Syria.
theintercept.com theintercept.com




Yup, when neocons hadn't yet resigned en-masse and were still running the show.

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Also Trump team removed any pro ukrainian language in their platform, don't remember what year it was exactly, 2018 mid terms? Hmmm wonder why he's do that?
 
west42 said:
My neighbor's grandfather's cousin sisters wife's ex-boyfriend heard Elon musk prefers to leave his toilet paper dangling over the back of of the role verses over the front/top. I wouldn't put it past him to be plotting the downfall of the human civilization either
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Finally definitive proof! Lock him up!
 
HOLA said:


Elon Musk, the world’s richest man and a linchpin of U.S. space efforts, has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin since late 2022. The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions. At one point, Putin asked the billionaire to avoid activating his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favor to Chinese leader Xi Jinping, said two people briefed on the request. Musk has emerged this year as a crucial supporter of Donald Trump’s election campaign, and could find a role in a Trump administration should he win. While the U.S. and its allies have isolated Putin in recent years, Musk’s dialogue could signal re-engagement with the Russian leader, and reinforce Trump’s expressed desire to cut a deal over major fault lines such as the war in Ukraine. At the same time, the contacts also raise potential national-security concerns among some in the current administration, given Putin’s role as one of America’s chief adversaries. Musk has forged deep business ties with U.S. military and intelligence agencies, giving him unique visibility into some of America’s most sensitive space programs. SpaceX, which operates the Starlink service, won a $1.8 billion classified contract in 2021 and is the primary rocket launcher for the Pentagon and NASA. Musk has a security clearance that allows him access to certain classified information. Knowledge of Musk’s Kremlin contacts appears to be a closely held secret in government. Several White House officials said they weren’t aware of them. The topic is highly sensitive, given Musk’s increasing involvement in the Trump campaign and the approaching U.S. presidential election, less than two weeks away. Musk didn’t respond to requests for comment. The billionaire has called criticism from some quarters that he has become an apologist for Putin “absurd” and has said his companies “have done more to undermine Russia than anything.”
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Sorry, mid bitch will probably delete this thread since he's been thoroughly proven wrong.
 
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