Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Test Showing "Strong Evidence" of Native American Ancestry

[spamking]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/15/dont-forget-its-native-americans-who-are-most-anno/

As amusing as it is to see the whitest looking woman in American continue to claim her Native American heritage, it’s important to remember that it is actual Native Americans, actual members of the Cherokee Nation, who are most annoyed at the Massachusetts Senator’s appropriation of their heritage and identity.

Just this past November, Rebecca Nagle wrote at the left-wing activist blog Think Progress about her anger toward Warren for claiming to be Cherokee:

As a young Cherokee woman, one would assume that I would take Warren’s side in standing up against Trump’s racist remark. Following the incident, Warren lambasted the president, telling MSNBC that Trump has done “this over and over thinking somehow he’s going to shut me up with it. It hadn’t worked in the past, it is not going to work in the future.”

A real Native American hero, right?

Wrong.

She was not a hero to me when she failed to foster a haven of support for Native students within Harvard University’s alienating Ivy League culture. She is not a hero for spending years awkwardly avoiding Native leaders. She is not a hero because, despite claiming to be the only Native woman in the U.S. Senate, she has done nothing to advance our rights.

She is not from us. She does not represent us. She is not Cherokee.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Right so the word Pocahontas lost her the election or is it some sort of kryptonite? The test actually proved that her ancestor could be Pocahontas. Why would she do something so stupid like have Trump make her take some DNA test she didn’t need to take. All she’s done is lend truth to Trumps claims on top of making a fool of herself....for no gain at all. That’s what I really can’t understand

It hasn't lent truth to Trump's claims, it's the opposite, which is why Trump is now lying about what he said.

 

[58miles]

She made her own millions in the private sector, more than I can say about Moochelle...

Is made her own millions in the private sector just a trendy way of saying professional escort?

Unlike Melania, Michelle Obama didn't have to lie about graduating college and had enough intelligence and ambition she didn't have to marry a sugar daddy to take care of her.

 

[Not A Theist]

Remember that he claim was that she heard she had a distant NA ancestor. Hacks then acted as if she claimed to be fully NA.

This is true. Unfortunately, this is one of those "gotcha" moments that isn't going to really do the work either side wants it to do. I have my doubts that this level of indigenous heritage would qualify her to gain official status and probably - and correct me if I'm wrong on that. If she had been some nobody who went into Harvard claiming she was Native American, would we consider this enough to exonerate her from any insensitivity in the claim? I have my doubts.

On the other hand, you're entirely right to point out that the factual nature of her claims is true. For those saying "She's been lying" - well, not really.

The weakness of her heritage, I think, seems to make her identifying as indigenous at Harvard rather insensitive. On the other hand, it does exonerate claims about her lying about her heritage. Like I said, I see this as messy, and not quite doing the work either side wants it to do, though I see both sides claiming this as a clear victory.

 

[KnightTemplar]

And I knew this was coming as soon as I read the article, that her critics will dismiss the test as not conclusive.

This wasn't just a mail-order test though, it was analysis done by a Stanford geneticist. Population genetics is not flim-flam, even if some mail-order test kits and their analysis are lacking. Respected institutions all over the world have been studying human populations, with papers being published in respectable academic journals. And the conclusions are accept as evidence in understanding ancient population movements and admixture.

A Stanford geneticist who is an adviser to 23andMe, who produce mail order test kits. Which indicates his professional integrity may be somewhat...flexible.

The amount of DNA she can trace back to Native Americans is insignificant. According to the DNA test I took, I have 4.5% Norwegian DNA. That doesn't mean I'm going to change my name to Thorson Bloodaxe, build a long ship and spend my weekends and holidays raping, pillaging and burning small seaside villages.

Warren is as much a Native American as I am a Viking.

 

[sickc0d3r]

they wont care, despite the fact that shes the only future candidate who has consistently tried to rein in wall street, they prefer trump bullshittery and boom and bust economics.
when their healthcare goes up, or is refused, the house has been foreclosed and they are up to their necks in debt , maybe then it will penetrate , until then its trigger the libz.

I'm guessing you're right for the most part, but there is hope for the PA, MI, and WI Trump voters with buyers remorse, not to mention the third party voters that won him those states. Always best to remain very difficult to attack on integrity, and as you said she's miles better for the working class on policy.

 

[Fawlty]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/15/dont-forget-its-native-americans-who-are-most-anno/

As amusing as it is to see the whitest looking woman in American continue to claim her Native American heritage, it’s important to remember that it is actual Native Americans, actual members of the Cherokee Nation, who are most annoyed at the Massachusetts Senator’s appropriation of their heritage and identity.

Just this past November, Rebecca Nagle wrote at the left-wing activist blog Think Progress about her anger toward Warren for claiming to be Cherokee:

As a young Cherokee woman, one would assume that I would take Warren’s side in standing up against Trump’s racist remark. Following the incident, Warren lambasted the president, telling MSNBC that Trump has done “this over and over thinking somehow he’s going to shut me up with it. It hadn’t worked in the past, it is not going to work in the future.”

A real Native American hero, right?

Wrong.

She was not a hero to me when she failed to foster a haven of support for Native students within Harvard University’s alienating Ivy League culture. She is not a hero for spending years awkwardly avoiding Native leaders. She is not a hero because, despite claiming to be the only Native woman in the U.S. Senate, she has done nothing to advance our rights.

She is not from us. She does not represent us. She is not Cherokee.

Sure thing Chief Jay Strongbow.

 

[cincymma79]

A Stanford geneticist who is an adviser to 23andMe, who produce mail order test kits. Which indicates his professional integrity may be somewhat...flexible.

The amount of DNA she can trace back to Native Americans is insignificant. According to the DNA test I took, I have 4.5% Norwegian DNA. That doesn't mean I'm going to change my name to Thorson Bloodaxe, build a long ship and spend my weekends and holidays raping, pillaging and burning small seaside towns.

Warren is as much a Native American as I am a Viking.

no she isn't, she's less than you

 

[Jack V Savage]

This is true. Unfortunately, this is one of those "gotcha" moments that isn't going to really do the work either side wants it to do. I have my doubts that this level of indigenous heritage would qualify her to gain official status and probably - and correct me if I'm wrong on that.

You're not wrong about what you said, but note that she explicitly affirmed that from the start (that she had no official status, didn't apply for it, and wouldn't get it if she did).

The weakness of her heritage, I think, seems to make her identifying as indigenous at Harvard rather insensitive.

If someone wants to claim that Harvard was "insensitive," I mean, I think that claim itself is really oversensitive and likely made in bad faith, but OK. It's kind of impossible to argue about.

On the other hand, it does exonerate claims about her lying about her heritage. Like I said, I see this as messy, and not quite doing the work either side wants it to do, though I see both sides claiming this as a clear victory.

How is it not a clear vindication for her? Frankly, I wouldn't have expected any, as dubious claims of NA ancestry are common where she comes from. I trusted that she was repeating something she actually heard rather than making something up, and I think the evidence is clear that she received no career benefits from it. But to people who were suspicious and thought she made up the claim, the fact that it turned out to be true should settle the issue.

 

[SONNEN]

Is made her own millions in the private sector just a trendy way of saying professional escort?

Unlike Melania, Michelle Obama didn't have to lie about graduating college and had enough intelligence and ambition she didn't have to marry a sugar daddy to take care of her.

So she made millions without a degree in Eastern Europe?,(you know that place were communism destroyed the economy and starved people), Michelle got a degree that I doubt she paid for, then had a do nothing 6 figure job, designed for a senators wife,checking car seats at a childrens hospital. The position disappeared when Moochelle disappeared...

 

[woodguyatl]

The reason the right makes fun of her for it, is because she claimed to be native American in order to get preferred admission into college (or was it a scholarship?) and then goes around claiming white people have all the privilege, when she herself had to pretend to be not white to get a leg up on the competition.

Edit: It was on a job application to be a Law. Professor at Harvard

Not even on a job application to Harvard.

 

[AlexDB9]

It hasn't lent truth to Trump's claims, it's the opposite, which is why Trump is now lying about what he said.

Brother she’s 99.999% white if we go back the full 10 generations. Not only that but no Cherokee or Delaware DNA was used instead it was Peruvian/Mexican etc. I can’t speak for you but she’s made a fool of herself for no reason in my eyes

 

[MicroBrew]

How would they know? Her appearance doesn't reflect it.

If the Native American ancestor is distant, which is the case here, it wouldn't show up phenotypically. Sometimes even in cases where a person has very recent bi-racial ancestry, the phenotype does not reflect the genotype. You can look at Rashida Jones, who is the daughter of Quincy Jones (African American, likely mixed) and Peggy Lipton (Jewish). Rashida looks White. I have 2 friends who are half Japanese American and half White American, and both look fully White.

 

[SBJJ]

Trump should take a test to show he is more Indian than her

 

[Fedorable]

this proves we're all indians.

 

[Ripskater]

Huh?

She's saying that her Dad's parents were racist against her mother for looking like a Native Americans. I'd like to see a photo of her Native American mother.

 

[irish_thug]

According to the DNA test I took, I have 4.5% Norwegian DNA. That doesn't mean I'm going to change my name to Thorson Bloodaxe, build a long ship and spend my weekends and holidays raping, pillaging and burning small seaside villages.

I would

 

[Orgasmo]

I'm pretty sure I'm 1/16th Asian and 1/24th black or something. I'm a minority right?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Trump should take a test to show he is more Indian than her

Trump should take an IQ test to back up his claims to be "like, really smart." Or a high-school social studies test to give people confidence that the president is not the ignoramus he appears to be.

 

[SONNEN]

You're not wrong about what you said, but note that she explicitly affirmed that from the start (that she had no official status, didn't apply for it, and wouldn't get it if she did).



If someone wants to claim that Harvard was "insensitive," I mean, I think that claim itself is really oversensitive and likely made in bad faith, but OK. It's kind of impossible to argue about.



How is it not a clear vindication for her? Frankly, I wouldn't have expected any, as dubious claims of NA ancestry are common where she comes from. I trusted that she was repeating something she actually heard rather than making something up, and I think the evidence is clear that she received no career benefits from it. But to people who were suspicious and thought she made up the claim, the fact that it turned out to be true should settle the issue.

“Applying for a job as a Harvard professor, she claimed to be a Native American. Harvard eagerly accepted her claim— they could tick off two boxes to show diversity: female and minority.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...erican-heritage-to-get-harvard-job-varney.amp