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Elections Elizabeth Warren likely is running for President

Agree. Gtfo with that identity politics nonsense. It's reductionist, way too divise and most important it's not needed at all. Actually, it's counter productive because it turns a large amount of voters off.

Why can't the progressives just stand behind Sanders? He's almost entirely responsible for giving the progressive wing a platform. Money out politics, medicare for all, tuition free college, raising minimum wage, it was him that made those mainstream talking points.
It's hilarious to see the right wing claim she is unelectable because she is too leftist when she aligns with centrists like Clinton and Booker on all the key issues. All because they can't let go of the Pocahontas thing. And her efforts to counter it basically ensure she loses:

At Slate, Jess Zimmerman wrote an excellent piece which essentially argued that Democrats have been cast as the “feminine” party in America, that “feminine” is seen as weak, and that it has defined how men and women on the left are allowed to behave, particularly in terms of anger. (I'm over-simplifying—read the whole piece.) If we accept that paradigm, what Warren is trying to do in this video is to assert her masculine bona fides in an attempt to woo the country's middle-right.

In doing so, she demonstrates a toxic Democratic mindset—one that believes you can Change Minds among moderate Republicans if only you can toe that fine line between “tough” and “civil.” That you can appeal to the better angels of conservative nature, and that, in fact, the masculine center-right is the group most worthy of your attention, rather than the great numbers of non-voters, progressives, and working poor that are yearning for representation from a party that long ago left them behind.

It's a pathetic video, actually, because it's a furtive act of selling out to mainstream wisdom, mainstream culture, and the mythical American middle. Needless to say, adopting this mindset necessarily means adopting centrist policy at the expense of the people, which is how the Democrats forfeited their working class base in the first place. It's the epitome of not learning a damn thing.

Worse, just like every other mealy-mouthed Democratic politician who has tried it, it WILL NOT WORK.


This is the cardinal sin of Warren's whole gambit: She engaged with a group of people who are acting in bad faith. The voters who support them are acting in bad faith. They don't care about the truth of her Native American ancestry—they only want to make her defensive, they only want to rattle her, and they only want power.
You cannot “out-fact” them, because the fundamental drive behind their bad faith is not based in logic or reason, but in a visceral urge to abuse, humiliate, and dominate.
And this is also the key error leftists in the War Room make when engaging with them. It's also an excellent tactic as evidenced by its success.
 
http://www.leftvoice.org/Elizabeth-Warren-Votes-for-Massive-Increase-of-War-Budget
Elizabeth Warren Votes for Massive Increase of War Budget
Elizabeth Warren votes for a defense budget that is higher than the one that Donald Trump requested.

Warren, member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and John McCain, chairman of the committee, are on the same side in ratifying a bill that takes more taxes from workers and funnels it into foreign wars, leading to more deaths of innocent people, sponsors Israel’s war against the Palestinians ($705 million), and invests additional hundreds of millions in anti-Russian military build-up in Ukraine and the Baltic ($600 million).

The senator attempts to minimize her incredibly reactionary decision by saying that the bill only authorizes but does not appropriate funds yet. She also claims that she will fight for non-defense spending increases later on when Congress votes on the entire budget. On her website, she boasts: "The defense bill has a long tradition of bipartisan cooperation and I was glad to join that tradition" and that “this NDAA will make a real, positive impact on the lives of Americans."

The fact is that a large chunk of the money in the bill will go to Massachusetts. Given that the state employs more than 100,000 jobs in military related jobs, it is politically expedient for the senator to endorse funding for new construction, more research, and DOD operations in Massachusetts.
However, if investing even more money in defense is Warren’s idea of how to make a “real, positive impact on the lives of Americans,” it is clear that her priorities are with the military industrial complex and its imperialist agenda, not with American workers.

Once again, Senator Warren, a "progressive" Democrat, demonstrates that she is no different from the establishment of both capitalist parties. She, like the rest of the Republicans and Democrats, supports exorbitant budgets that mean more imperialist wars, more deaths of innocent people, and the continued neglect of the basic needs of American workers at home.​

Needless to say, Bernie Sanders voted against this bill.
 
As I said, they're gullible and/or hypocrites. He picked up a bible for a photo-up for a reason, he knew he needed to sell a portion of his crowd on his "morals".

Well I just have a completely different take on that, statements like the American people who voted for Trump are gullible or dumb is why he will probably win again in 2020

Sure bud , I think the Dems will be affraid of attacking each other too much because it will weaken their party more if Trump wins, but I dunno for sure, just like you don't.
But I don't think admitting a mistake is handing Trump a W.
You know how many white Americans have heard their whole life that they have native history in their family tree? That this could be a relatable story to? Don't underestimate the power of people being honest and then how they view a bully who still attacks them because this is the only issue Trump has any weight on. She will bury him with facts when they debate , if they do, that you can bet on.
It is weird though that the party who supposedly doesn't care about identity politics and cares about substance really thinks this is so important.

Well we will just have to see. It’s a W for Trump because he has a person he’s ridiculed for years as Pocahontas apologize for that statement being correct. She will never apologize, I would say it’s an almost certainty. The moment Trump feels like his being “buried in facts” as you say all he needs to do is bring up Pocahontas in some way or another and there it is, distraction 101. I don’t think Warren makes it that far though. For all of Trumps faults one can at least say he’s too dumb to hide behind a persona and what you see is what you get. Warren comes off faker then her supposed heritage, look at her recent video drinking beer and shit.....cmon bro...
 
Liberals are obsessed with identity politics. I don't see how she will make it.

This is cute making pretend the current crop of Trump bots aren't obsessed with identity politics either.

"Fuck identify politics but a white ethnostate makes a lot of sense because Japan!"
 
Googled pictures.


It's gonna be a no from me dawg.
 
I really sincerely hope she runs, this would be amazing for the Republicans. She is possibly worse than Clinton.
 
Six ways? Two, at most.

From the current field, Warren and Bernie are the only real progressives. Beto, Biden, Harris and whoever else are centrist/establishment politicians.

Warren's lost a bit of steam compared to 4-5 years ago when she was everyone's darling. That Native American crap only matters to right-wingers that weren't going to vote for her anyway. I've heard very, very, very few liberals or independents mention any concern over that.

I think most adults realize that the NA stuff all came about because she actually believed, incorrectly, she was part Native and she actually gained nothing from that error anyway so who fucking cares? I mean she is from a Dakota and I imagine there are many white people who make incorrect claims about their Native heritage from that area.

The number of people in America who incorrectly identify their background ethnicity probably outnumbers the number of people who correctly identify. The only reason we're seeing any sort of accuracy now is because of gene studies in recent years.

Everyone claimed heritage that wasn't confirmed and were often straight family lies carried for generations... including the fake Swede in office Donald Trump.
 
I'm looking forward to her running. Right wingers are writing her off the way left wingers wrote off Trump, but the main difference is she's got a lot more substance than he did. The key to winning the election isn't going to be aiming for the middle, but rather energizing the base. She has the charisma to pull that off.
 
I think most adults realize that the NA stuff all came about because she actually believed, incorrectly, she was part Native and she actually gained nothing from that error anyway so who fucking cares? I mean she is from a Dakota and I imagine there are many white people who make incorrect claims about their Native heritage from that area.

The number of people in America who incorrectly identify their background ethnicity probably outnumbers the number of people who correctly identify. The only reason we're seeing any sort of accuracy now is because of gene studies in recent years.

Everyone claimed heritage that wasn't confirmed and were often straight family lies carried for generations... including the fake Swede in office Donald Trump.
she lied about her ethnicity on her college applications.
 
she lied about her ethnicity on her college applications.

No she didn't. First lying implies intent, but I don't think she was intentionally lying about her heritage. She was just wrong about it.

She was wrong about her heritage on two JOB applications after she'd already been teaching for many years and was well established in her profession.
 
I'm looking forward to her running. Right wingers are writing her off the way left wingers wrote off Trump, but the main difference is she's got a lot more substance than he did. The key to winning the election isn't going to be aiming for the middle, but rather energizing the base. She has the charisma to pull that off.

Hillary would have won with Warren instead of whoever that guy was simply because she actually had some name recognition.
 
Hillary would have won with Warren instead of whoever that guy was simply because she actually had some name recognition.
I think the idea was that Kaine was from Virginia and they didn't like the idea of a 2 women ticket.
At the time, Hillary probably thought she had the election in the bag and didn't want to take any risks. Idk if Warren would have helped or hurt, but I like her chances against Trump with her on top of the bill.
 
Six ways? Two, at most.

From the current field, Warren and Bernie are the only real progressives. Beto, Biden, Harris and whoever else are centrist/establishment politicians.

Warren's lost a bit of steam compared to 4-5 years ago when she was everyone's darling. That Native American crap only matters to right-wingers that weren't going to vote for her anyway. I've heard very, very, very few liberals or independents mention any concern over that.
Unfortunately, I think this is a bit naive. Let's remember that Hilary's e-mails received more MSM coverage than all policy issues combined in 2016. Do you think Hilary's e-mails ended up not mattering?
 
I think most adults realize that the NA stuff all came about because she actually believed, incorrectly, she was part Native and she actually gained nothing from that error anyway so who fucking cares? I mean she is from a Dakota and I imagine there are many white people who make incorrect claims about their Native heritage from that area.

The number of people in America who incorrectly identify their background ethnicity probably outnumbers the number of people who correctly identify. The only reason we're seeing any sort of accuracy now is because of gene studies in recent years.

Everyone claimed heritage that wasn't confirmed and were often straight family lies carried for generations... including the fake Swede in office Donald Trump.

She believed....incorrectly? That’s a new one irrational. Her DNA wasn’t even compared to that of the supposed Delaware heritage it was Central American. Cmon I can’t be only one that still finds it funny she came out with her guns waiving asking for a million dollars from Trump over 1/1024 NA heritage....I can’t believe people think it’s a non-issue to be honest

She just believed incorrectly brah, she had no idea at all

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She believed....incorrectly? That’s a new one irrational. Her DNA wasn’t even compared to that of the supposed Delaware heritage it was Central American. Cmon I can’t be only one that still finds it funny she came out with her guns waiving asking for a million dollars from Trump over 1/1024 NA heritage....I can’t believe people think it’s a non-issue to be honest

She just believed incorrectly brah, she had no idea at all

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Yeah.. your point?

She didn't write that. Fordham Law Review was also wrong and they're bragging about being wrong.

She didn't have access to her DNA in 1995.
 
Yeah.. your point?

She didn't write that. Fordham Law Review was also wrong and they're bragging about being wrong.

She didn't have access to her DNA in 1995.

My point is and has always been she made a fool of herself with no need, just cause someone kept calling her Pocahontas. I see plenty posters writing about it not being an issue yet she sure thought it was an issue....going as far as taking the DNA test, knowing the results were subpar and still making them public. Seemed like a big deal to her in that video she put out along side it......

Right everyone was wrong and the idea that she was a “person of color” came out of left field...just a case of mass believing incorrectly
 
My point is and has always been she made a fool of herself with no need, just cause someone kept calling her Pocahontas. I see plenty posters writing about it not being an issue yet she sure thought it was an issue....going as far as taking the DNA test, knowing the results were subpar and still making them public. Seemed like a big deal to her in that video she put out along side it......

Right everyone was wrong and the idea that she was a “person of color” came out of left field...just a case of mass believing incorrectly

I'm not saying she didn't make a fool of herself... I'm just saying it's not a big deal and an incredibly common thing. Most people don't actually know their heritage in America. They just believe what their parents and grandparents tell them.

Trump and his father lied about their heritage on purpose, and admitted to it, where is your ire there?
 
I'm not saying she didn't make a fool of herself... I'm just saying it's not a big deal and an incredibly common thing. Most people don't actually know their heritage in America. They just believe what their parents and grandparents tell them.

Trump and his father lied about their heritage on purpose, and admitted to it, where is your ire there?

Well at least we can agree she made a fool of herself. Before her story unfolding I never had an inclination that not knowing your heritage was a common thing, I mean outside of Rachel Doleza or something....

If Trump was called Eriksson or something and came out with a self administered DNA test disproving his own Swedish ancestry I could agree with that last part
 
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