Elections Elizabeth Warren likely is running for President

[Grenz]

I believe survivors. That homosexual prostitute was clearly used and abused by Senator Obama. He used his position of authority to solicit drugs and oral sex. I trust the guy who's speaking out.

Got any other debunked conspiracy theories from 10 years ago you want to rehash? Maybe do a thread on the birth certificate, we haven’t talked about that for a while, I’m sure Alex Jones has unearthed new ‘evidence’ in the last few years.

 

[ocfightfan]

She is another far left identity politics grifter, can't wait for everyone to see that.

 

[woodguyatl]

That's Trump's main redeeming quality.. He isn't playing that weird pc public persona game.

Yet people get butt hurt when others call Trump Hitler. Warren is objectively not Pocahontas and Trump is objectively not Hitler so it seems about a wash to me.

 

[ocfightfan]

Got any other debunked conspiracy theories from 10 years ago you want to rehash? Maybe do a thread on the birth certificate, we haven’t talked about that for a while, I’m sure Alex Jones has unearthed new ‘evidence’ in the last few years.

I think his point is that there is plenty of this kind of thing going on with the left so fair is fair. The most recent and egregious case is what was done with Brett Kavanaugh. All that BS about him running high school rape parties where girls were drugged and the jocks ran train on them and whatnot. And of course you had plenty of sketchy stuff from many years past put out there about GWB as well. There are quite a few others as well.

 

[HereticBD]

Got any other debunked conspiracy theories from 10 years ago you want to rehash? Maybe do a thread on the birth certificate, we haven’t talked about that for a while, I’m sure Alex Jones has unearthed new ‘evidence’ in the last few years.

I don't think that particular theory was debunked. It wasn't even a theory. It was an accusation. An accusation that had just as much evidence backing it up as Christine Blasey Ford's, yet y'all seemed to believe that one.

 

[Rematch]

Ehhh

There were like 20 Republicans in the 2016 Primary vs 2 in the Dem primary

I don't think a watered down primary is bad because it doesn't give the GOP enough time to zero in with the smear campaign.

Warren is analytical so this could be a benefit if she can push the Democratic platform in certain areas that would be beneficial without her actually getting the nomination.

Warren is analytical, huh? Well... she did get analized after the DNA results got out.

 

[Grenz]

I think his point is that there is plenty of this kind of thing going on with the left so fair is fair. The most recent and egregious case is what was done with Brett Kavanaugh. All that BS about him running high school rape parties where girls were drugged and the jocks ran train on them and whatnot. And of course you had plenty of sketchy stuff from many years past put out there about GWB as well. There are quite a few others as well.

I don't think that particular theory was debunked. It wasn't even a theory. It was an accusation. An accusation that had just as much evidence backing it up as Christine Blasey Ford's, yet y'all seemed to believe that one.

It's basically a conspiracy theory, considering the lack of verifiable evidence and the numerous issues with the source. Also, we weren't speaking about Kavanaugh, we're talking about Daniels, for which there is very real and verifiable evidence. So I'd say there's a pretty substantial difference between 'Obama does gay hookers and blow' (no real evidence) and 'Trump bangs pornstars for money' (real evidence).

 

[HereticBD]

It's basically a conspiracy theory, considering the lack of verifiable evidence and the numerous issues with the source.

Do you feel the same way about Ford's accusation?

I'm just looking for consistency on your part. I wouldn't want to think you were biased, or anything...

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I don't think that particular theory was debunked. It wasn't even a theory. It was an accusation. An accusation that had just as much evidence backing it up as Christine Blasey Ford's, yet y'all seemed to believe that one.

It had more... he gave actual dates and times to verify.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Yet people get butt hurt when others call Trump Hitler. Warren is objectively not Pocahontas and Trump is objectively not Hitler so it seems about a wash to me.

DIfference is Hitler is a pos that tge mention of his name brings shame to white people, while Pocahontas is fondly remembered. That's where we are at. Nothing bad to remember about one.. But yet that's the one people aren't supposed to use. Weird.

 

[Grenz]

Do you feel the same way about Ford's accusation?

I'm just looking for consistency on your part. I wouldn't want to think you were biased, or anything...

Do you think Ford's a better source than Sinclair? I think most would say 'yes'. Then there's the fact that the two accusations are quite a bit different in nature. Accusing the president of the US to be a homosexual cocaine user who paid (or was paid) for gay sex is quite a few notches above accusing someone of frat boy behaviour that wasn't far outside the norm at the time. Do I believe that Kavanaugh should have been blocked because of one accusation of improper behaviour when he was in high school for which there is no evidence other than the accuser's word? No. Do I believe that one's more likely to be true than Obama's was a gay prostitute? Yes.

 

[HereticBD]

Do you think Ford's a better source than Sinclair? I think most would say 'yes'.

Based on what exactly?

Then there's the fact that the two accusations are quite a bit different in nature. Accusing the president of the US to be a homosexual cocaine user who paid (or was paid) for gay sex is quite a few notches above accusing someone of frat boy behaviour that wasn't far outside the norm at the time. Do I believe that Kavanaugh should have been blocked because of one accusation of improper behaviour when he was in high school for which there is no evidence other than the accuser's word? No. Do I believe that one's more likely to be true than Obama's was a gay prostitute? Yes.

There is no reason to believe it's any more true, though. Doing drugs and having gay sex isn't all that extreme of an accusation. It's only extreme because of the person accused of doing it. We know Barrack enjoyed drugs in his day, and who knows if he has other skeletons in his closet? Being a closeted homosexual isn't exactly out of the norm for some elites. On it's face, the accusation isn't all that absurd at all. Neither is sexual assault on Kavanaugh's part.

The point of the matter though, is that neither one has anything to back their accusations up, but you believe one more than other because...reasons.

 

[Grenz]

Based on what exactly?

Seems like you’re being a bit obtuse now, doesn’t it? On one hand you have an academic with a clean background and on the other you have Sinclair.

There is no reason to believe it's any more true, though. Doing drugs and having gay sex isn't all that extreme of an accusation. It's only extreme because of the person accused of doing it. We know Barrack enjoyed drugs in his day, and who knows if he has other skeletons in his closet? Being a closeted homosexual isn't exactly out of the norm for some elites. On it's face, the accusation isn't all that absurd at all. Neither is sexual assault on Kavanaugh's part.

Doing cocaine and paying for gay sex while married and holding public office is way more outrageous than accusing a teenager of drunken shenanigans. This is obvious.

The point of the matter though, is that neither one has anything to back their accusations up, but you believe one more than other because...reasons.

I believe one is more likely to be true, based on the valid reasons I gave you, yes.

 

[HereticBD]

I believe one is more likely to be true, based on the valid reasons I gave you, yes.

You gave no valid reasons. You're just a biased Liberal. Her profession and record doesn't matter, when her story has inconsistencies in it. She isn't simply telling a story. She's telling a story with witnesses involved. Witnesses, including her best friend, who can't even back her up. The best friend doesn't even remember Kavanaugh at all. Ford can't remember anything AT ALL from that day, except for the assault. Not where, when, how...nothing. There is absolutely no reason to believe her story. None. You're just lending it more credibility simply because of politics.

Ford and Sinclair are equally full of shit. It's hilarious that you cant just admit that.

Kavanaugh was being accused of sexual assault and attempted rape, BTW. Not "drunken shenanigans", as you so want to downplay it as, to make it seem less outrageous. They didn't have a congressional hearing for "drunken shenanigans".

 

[Liquid Smoke]

She is another far left identity politics grifter, can't wait for everyone to see that.

She's a goofy grandma wrapped in communism. A real scumbag if you ask me.

 

[Grenz]

You gave no valid reasons. You're just a biased Liberal. Her profession and record doesn't matter, when her story has inconsistencies in it. She isn't simply telling a story. She's telling a story with witnesses involved. Witnesses, including her best friend, who can't even back her up. The best friend doesn't even remember Kavanaugh at all. Ford can't remember anything AT ALL from that day, except for the assault. Not where, when, how...nothing. There is absolutely no reason to believe her story. None. You're just lending it more credibility simply because of politics.

Ford and Sinclair are equally full of shit. It's hilarious that you cant just admit that.

Kavanaugh was being accused of sexual assault and attempted rape, BTW. Not "drunken shenanigans", as you so want to downplay it as, to make it seem less outrageous. They didn't have a congressional hearing for "drunken shenanigans".

Yea Heretic, a college professor with a clean record is just as unbelievable as a gay prostitute scam artist, and cocaine addiction and gay prostitution is basically the same as a 17 year trying to forcefully kiss a girl. I can’t see this because of my extreme liberal bias.

 

[HereticBD]

Yea Heretic, a college professor with a clean record is just as unbelievable as a gay prostitute scam artist, and cocaine addiction and gay prostitution is basically the same as a 17 year trying to forcefully kiss a girl. I can’t see this because of my extreme liberal bias.

How about a Liberal political activist? That doesn't go down as well as "professor" does it?

Regardless, you don't judge the stories on the merits of the people telling them. You judge them on their own merit. Both stories are unverifiable at best, and complete bullshit at worst, based on what we know of them. Shit, you could argue Ford's is actually less believable due to her tripping over details of it, and some elements being refuted by her own witnesses.

 

[Grenz]

How about a Liberal political activist? That doesn't go down as well as "professor" does it?

Regardless, you don't judge the stories on the merits of the people telling them. You judge them on their own merit. Both stories are unverifiable at best, and complete bullshit at worst, based on what we know of them. Shit, you could argue Ford's is actually less believable due to her tripping over details of it, and some elements being refuted by her own witnesses.

Remember when I wrote that I didn't believe Kavanaugh should have been blocked because of Ford's accusations? You could have deduced from that I don't believe she has sufficient evidence. So we're basically on the same page, even if I believe that Ford's accusations are more likely to be true, but that's really like saying I believe it's more likely we're going to cure cancer in my lifetime rather figuring out light speed travel. I'm not sure about either, it just seems like the former is less far fetched than the latter.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Yea Heretic, a college professor with a clean record is just as unbelievable as a gay prostitute scam artist, and cocaine addiction and gay prostitution is basically the same as a 17 year trying to forcefully kiss a girl. I can’t see this because of my extreme liberal bias.

I would argue that academia has become just as whorish as prostitution. Especially in the "social" sciences.

 

[Happy Man]

I think we saw that show already. All anyone remembers from Presidential debates are zingers. That's one area I'll give Hillary the nod on. She technically won the debates quite handily, as Trump pretty much winged them all. All anyone remembers though...

"...'Cause you'd be in jail.'"

Whoever goes up against Trump, better be quick witted and ready to essentially rap battle him. I don't think Warren is up to that task.

I'd also like to point out the Hillary likely was given all the debate questions in every debate in advance. So she could be well prepared and trained for the debates. It was already proven that fake news CNN gave her their debate questions before the debate. Illegally meddling in the democratic process and making it a farce