Elections Election Fraud update V.2 - more evidence?

He had a fake alternate elector or did he have a legitimate elector cast a "faithless" vote for him?
I'm not sure what youre asking. A group of republican electors across multiple states considered sending alternative electors to vote for Trump as their right because those states weren't bound by law to "honor" the results.

This is what is known as an alternative elector.
Where the states legislation could chose to send instructions to vote for the losing candidate
Again that happend 22 times in history read the link

2000 ONE dem cast an electoral college vote for the losing candiate
0 felonies 1 fine

2004 3 democratic congress men cast their electoral college vote for the losing candiate
0 felonies 0 fines

2016 4 instances of democrats casting their electoral college vote for the losing candiate
0 felonies 0 fines

2020 0 instances of any congressmen democratic or republican casting a "faithless " ballet.

Felony for the candidate
 
umm did you not listen to the video lmao the fuck you talking about?

Your confusion, professor, appears to be that an elector can be “faithless” but not “fake.” When Biden won the GA popular vote, the Biden slate of electors is chosen. If some or all Biden electors want to be “faithless” vote for Trump (or anyone else) they don’t violate GA law.

What happened here is that “fake” electors lied on official state documents to say Trump was certified the popular vote winner in GA when he was not. The “fake” electors then nominated themselves as Trump electors.

These are not “faithless” Biden electors. Your examples are of “faithless” electors. This is unprecedented “fake” electors.

The part that likely involves Trump was the plot on the DC end to accept the fake GA electors who falsely claimed Trump won over the legitimate Biden electors for whom the Secretary of State (and now Gov. Kemp) actually certified the results.

Class dismissed.
 
Your confusion, professor, appears to be that an elector can be “faithless” but not “fake.” When Biden won the GA popular vote, the Biden slate of electors is chosen. If some or all Biden electors want to be “faithless” vote for Trump (or anyone else) they don’t violate GA law.

What happened here is that “fake” electors lied on official state documents to say Trump was certified the popular vote winner in GA when he was not. The “fake” electors then nominated themselves as Trump electors.

These are not “faithless” Biden electors. Your examples are of “faithless” electors. This is unprecedented “fake” electors.

The part that likely involves Trump was the plot on the DC end to accept the fake GA electors who falsely claimed Trump won over the legitimate Biden electors for whom the Secretary of State (and now Gov. Kemp) actually certified the results.

Class dismissed.
Yes an alternative elector, this is what happens when a party holds power locally.
They can vote in their state leglisitve bodies, to send members of their own party to Washington and vote for the losing canidiate..

This is all legal, has been done 22 times (read the link I posted, for the whole list) these are safeguards within the constitution to prevent fraud.

Sorry man, all legal, all normal, all done multiple times before.


Again the term you are looking for is "alternative elector " not "fake elector"

You might want actually know what you're talking about before retoring because I'm not going to let your lies and conjecture stand


This has happend 22 times, not once did anyone get in trouble for it...and oddly enough it DIDNT happen in 2020, Arizona decided to not to send them


This didn't even happen in Georgia but in Arizona

Your class is utter trash teacher
 
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Bring me to your leader.

That's it, your best mind vs me.

Set up the thread
 
Electoral College Alternatives and US Presidential Elections https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/scer.12.3655317
There you go @LangfordBarrow
@UFCUCF@Darkballs

Hey guys, there's a article , written by a leftist in 2004 explaining how the democrats plan to send "alternative" electors or "fake electors " as you call them to Washington to vote for Gore was perfectly legal, and a safeguard added to the voting process to battle fraud...I agree with him, even if he's a leftist


What's that? I'm guessing that 2004 article written by a democrat was just Russian disinformation right?

"The next alternative is intuitive and makes use of natural num-
bers. It is proposed that the slate of electors in a state is split roughly
in proportion to the state's popular vote, with the modification that
the plurality winner receives a favorable marginal adjustment. For ex-
ample, take the earlier example where 51.29 percent of the votes in
the state go to candidate A, and the state has 8 electors. As a perfect
reflection of the popular vote requires giving 0.5129*8 = 4.1032 votes
to A"
 
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Dude should know by now, stop engaging with me if you're not educated on the subject at hand. I don't know alot, but the little I know I know.


@Darkballs

You understand that? Do not engage with me if you're unable to provide a receipt

You can barely put together a coherent sentence.

But no gimmick account. You're still wrong. It doesn't matter that you quote state statutes on how they chose their electors. Those states can't just override the 1st amendment by ignoring the votes of the people in a national election.

We get the stupid argument you are prepping for. News broke a day or two ago about how some of these fake ass electors have turned states witness. And that's not good for Donny and his half-baked attempt to overturn an election he lost. So we're trying to get ahead of that and argue that sending fake electors to vote the opposite way their state directs them to is somehow a-ok. It ain't.
 
You can barely put together a coherent sentence.

But no gimmick account. You're still wrong. It doesn't matter that you quote state statutes on how they chose their electors. Those states can't just override the 1st amendment by ignoring the votes of the people in a national election.

We get the stupid argument you are prepping for. News broke a day or two ago about how some of these fake ass electors have turned states witness. And that's not good for Donny and his half-baked attempt to overturn an election he lost. So we're trying to get ahead of that and argue that sending fake electors to vote the opposite way their state directs them to is somehow a-ok. It ain't.
don't take my word for it, take the Supreme courts word for it. In the 1956 ruling they said "it is up to the state to decide if unfaithful electors are in violation of law"

They said up to the state not up to Darkballs on Sherdog

The state of Georgia is one of 22 states that have not imposed a fine on unfaithful electors or wrote law concerning it

Nice try though
 
I'm not a lawyer and I destroyed all of your arguments do you know why?

Because in 2002 I was a radical leftist, and I fucking used to talk to all my comrades about how pussifed the country was , for not sending alternative electors to Washington to get Gore into office

Again don't engage unless you have receipts in the form of actual law


Because I'm not going to let it go unnoticed, especially when it comes to topics I've studied.


Do you know that before 2020 dems used to shriek that alternative electors should be used frequently especially during elections where the candidate that receives the most popular votes loses the electoral college
 
don't take my word for it, take the Supreme courts word for it. In the 1956 ruling they said "it is up to the state to decide if unfaithful electors are in violation of law"

Yeah, and that ruling isn't analogous to anything your gimmick account is advocating for. There was no question whom the legitimate electors from Georgia were. And they weren't the fake ass ones that showed up for trump.

And still, what you suggest where there is a clear vote in one direction, the state still can't just sent electors in violation of that. See again, the 1st Amendment.

I don't know why I bother with you. How many accounts is this for you? The fourth? Why do we even let shitbirds who get repeatedly banned show back up and just spam threads with nonsense?
 
don't take my word for it, take the Supreme courts word for it. In the 1956 ruling they said "it is up to the state to decide if unfaithful electors are in violation of law"

They said up to the state not up to Darkballs on Sherdog

The state of Georgia is one of 22 states that have not imposed a fine on unfaithful electors or wrote law concerning it

Nice try though
Once you finally understand the difference between faithless electors as defined according to US election law and/or the constitution, compared with fake alternate electors that took it upon themselves to sign an official document they knew was a lie, let us know and we can have a real talk. Until then PFO.

Edit: even if there weren't an actual technical definition for the term faithless elector the two words don't mean the same thing. There are plenty of free dictionaries online--pick one and have a go, why don't you, professor.
 
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If you think the Trump criminal election investigation in GA involves faithless electors, you need to go back to school professor.
He's so wrong about most things that it's not even worth the effort of explaining it to him.
 
He's so wrong about most things that it's not even worth the effort of explaining it to him.

I know, but he suckers me in every time!
He is wrong on purpose.

Thanks for those animate eyebrows. Nice.
 
Hey professor @Saye_mc before your next class head down to the school library and look up the definitions for fake and faithless. It should not take too long both are under the letter F.
Also while you are there look up Rube.
I will give Trumpers credit for always putting out wrong information to muddy up Trump’s crimes. Then it travels around right wing social media and then I have to educate my Uncle Randy on what he is being fed is utter bullshit.
 
More Republicans Indicted For Voter Fraud

Three Rensselaer County officials with close ties to the ruling Republican Party were indicted last week on federal charges as part of an investigation into ballot fraud. Now, the current and former mayors of the city of Rensselaer are weighing in.

According to the U.S. Attorney, Richard Crist, James Gordon, and Leslie Wallace were arrested and charged Thursday with conspiring to violate the rights of county voters during the 2021 election cycle.

The alleged ballot scheme in Troy appears to have taken advantage of looser absentee ballot requirements that were in place during the pandemic.

Crist is the Director of Operations for Rensselaer County, Gordon is the Director of the Bureau for Central Services of the county, and Wallace works for the county executive.

Rich Mooney, a Democrat, says the federal investigation began during his time as mayor of the city of Rensselaer.

“During the election, during the campaign of 2021, myself, my team, noticed some irregularities with absentee ballots," said Mooney. "During the recount of the election of 2021 we challenged up to 60 ballots that we thought were tainted and not legitimate ballots. Well, along with that, we had an individual come forward, who told us that he did not request an absentee ballot and one was released to a Republican operative in his name and had voted for him. That individual had the courage to sign an affidavit. And we took that to the state police. And that is what started the ballot fraud investigation in the city of Rensselaer and Rensselaer County.”

Mooney says State Police investigators began interviewing residents the next day. Current Republican Mayor Mike Stammel says Mooney "should be careful” what he says.

“Mr. Mooney is just an individual here in city politics, who has never won an election when he ran against any candidate," said Stammel. "He's only won one election as a councilman or council president where nobody ran against him. And furthermore, I find that Mr. Mooney, that when he was mayor, should be careful about some of the things he says and does, because when his time in office, he's also been under investigation for the acts of his administration for utilizing fraud from what I understand it to be, with action taken in the planning department, and having hired people to do duties for the city that really wasn't for the city. It was really for his own political campaign.”

Mooney claims ballot fraud has been a problem for city government, but Stammel says that’s sour grapes on the part of the former mayor.

“And when it came to Mr. Mooney, he was beat not only on the ballot box, or when people come in to vote on the machine, as well as in the absentee ballots that were put forward," Stammel said. "So he was just beat fair and squarely and has not gotten over that yet. “

In January, former Rensselaer County Elections Commissioner Jason Schofield pleaded guilty to unlawfully using the names and dates of birth of voters to fraudulently apply for absentee ballots. The Republican had resigned at the end of December.

Last June, Republican Troy City Councilor Kim Ashe-McPherson resigned after pleading guilty to fraudulently submitting absentee ballots in 2021.

Mooney says the two put their reputations on the line for a handful of votes.

“I do not believe it's worth risking your career, your reputation, the damage you're doing to your family," said Mooney. "And that's what people forget. All these individuals have families, and they're the ones that I really feel bad for the families. The families weren't involved in this, it was the individuals, those individuals who chose to go down this path and that is very sad.”

Republican Rensselaer County Executive Steve McLaughlin, acquitted earlier this year of campaign finance charges in a separate case brought the state attorney general, said in a statement that Crist, Gordon and Wallace will be able to continue working for the county. Quoting: "Our system states those charged are innocent until proven guilty and I firsthand know significance of that statement, having recently gone through a similar experience. Members of our team will have their day in court and until then, have opportunity to continue their work."

Democratic Troy Mayor Patrick Madden responded to a request for comment via email, saying in part “...the actions alleged in the Rensselaer County indictment undermine the integrity of our electoral system – the very bedrock of our democracy. As this process bears out over the coming months, let’s keep in mind that these are charges. Nothing has been proven and I very much hope for the sake of our community that the allegations in this indictment are not true. As a lawyer, I put my trust in our court system and will await the outcome of the legal process.”

Calls to Crist, Gordon and Wallace seeking comment were not answered.

https://www.wamc.org/news/2023-05-0...unty-voter-fraud-case-ensnare-top-gop-figures
 
Shaker Heights attorney who donated to Trump campaign pleads not guilty to voter fraud charges


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Shaker Heights attorney has pleaded not guilty to voter fraud charges.

James Saunders, 56, made his first appearance in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court on Thursday since a grand jury indicted him on two counts of illegal voting.

James Saunders, a Shaker Heights attorney, is charged with two felony counts of illegal voting after prosecutors said he voted in both Cuyahoga County and Broward County, Florida, in the 2020 and 2022 general elections. Campaign finance records show Saunders has made multiple small donations to former President Donald Trump and GOP groups.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023...pleads-not-guilty-to-voter-fraud-charges.html
 


The choice is either...

Twist in the wind for Trump

Or

Tell the truth and save yourself from getting to know "Ray Bob" and "Pookie" in the Biblical sense whilst wasting away in prison.
 
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