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Elections Election Fraud update V.2 - more evidence?


https://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967

"the popular vote of their state), either voting for an alternative candidate, or abstaining completely. In fact, in the 2000 election, Barbara Lett-Simmons, an elector for the District of Columbia, cast a blank ballot for president and vice president in protest of the District’s unfair voting rights. Indeed, when it comes down to it, electors are ultimately free to vote for whom they personally prefer, despite the general public's desire."


Cool another trumped up charge that only magically applies to Trump and the left continues to act like hitler...


Nice let's see


"The states with legal control over their electors are the following 29 and D.C.:

Alabama (Code of Ala. §17-19-2)
Alaska (Alaska Stat. §15.30.090)
California (Election Code §6906)
Colorado (CRS §1-4-304)
Connecticut (Conn. Gen. Stat. §9-176)
Delaware (15 Del C §4303)
District of Columbia (§1-1312(g))
Florida (Fla. Stat. §103.021(1))
Hawaii (HRS §14-28)
Maine (21-A MRS §805)
Maryland (Md Ann Code art 33, §8-505)
Massachusetts (MGL, ch. 53, §8)
Michigan (MCL §168.47)
Mississippi (Miss Code Ann §23-15-785)
Montana (MCA §13-25-104)
Nebraska (§32-714)
Nevada (NRS §298.050)
New Mexico (NM Stat Ann §1-15-9)
North Carolina (NC Gen Stat §163-212)
Ohio (ORC Ann §3505.40)
Oklahoma (26 Okl St §10-102)
Oregon (ORS §248.355)
South Carolina (SC Code Ann §7-19-80)
Tennessee (Tenn Code Ann §2-15-104(c))
Utah (Utah Code Ann §20A-13-304)
Vermont (17 VSA §2732)
Virginia (§24.2-203)
Washington (RCW §29.71.020)
Wisconsin (Wis Stat §7.75)
Wyoming (Wyo Stat §22-19-108)

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Oh Georgia has no law legally binding electors that's OK though because orange man bad


Let's just all cheer politically motivated DA's that ignore law in an attempt to prevent Trump from running


Thankfully Republican Americans chose who they want to run for president, not DA's, not liberal judges and not the democratic party


 
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https://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967

"the popular vote of their state), either voting for an alternative candidate, or abstaining completely. In fact, in the 2000 election, Barbara Lett-Simmons, an elector for the District of Columbia, cast a blank ballot for president and vice president in protest of the District’s unfair voting rights. Indeed, when it comes down to it, electors are ultimately free to vote for whom they personally prefer, despite the general public's desire."


Cool another trumped up charge that only magically applies to Trump and the left continues to act like hitler...


Nice let's see


"The states with legal control over their electors are the following 29 and D.C.:

Alabama (Code of Ala. §17-19-2)
Alaska (Alaska Stat. §15.30.090)
California (Election Code §6906)
Colorado (CRS §1-4-304)
Connecticut (Conn. Gen. Stat. §9-176)
Delaware (15 Del C §4303)
District of Columbia (§1-1312(g))
Florida (Fla. Stat. §103.021(1))
Hawaii (HRS §14-28)
Maine (21-A MRS §805)
Maryland (Md Ann Code art 33, §8-505)
Massachusetts (MGL, ch. 53, §8)
Michigan (MCL §168.47)
Mississippi (Miss Code Ann §23-15-785)
Montana (MCA §13-25-104)
Nebraska (§32-714)
Nevada (NRS §298.050)
New Mexico (NM Stat Ann §1-15-9)
North Carolina (NC Gen Stat §163-212)
Ohio (ORC Ann §3505.40)
Oklahoma (26 Okl St §10-102)
Oregon (ORS §248.355)
South Carolina (SC Code Ann §7-19-80)
Tennessee (Tenn Code Ann §2-15-104(c))
Utah (Utah Code Ann §20A-13-304)
Vermont (17 VSA §2732)
Virginia (§24.2-203)
Washington (RCW §29.71.020)
Wisconsin (Wis Stat §7.75)
Wyoming (Wyo Stat §22-19-108)

"


Oh Georgia has no law legally binding electors that's OK though because orange man bad


Let's just all cheer politically motivated DA's that ignore law in an attempt to prevent Trump from running


Thankfully Republican Americans chose who they want to run for president, not DA's, not liberal judges and not the democratic party


I know you're a gimmick account, but just to knock down this retarded theory you're proposing:

Is that it is completely legally unsound. The reason? That pesky 1st Amendment you guys have come to hate. Your idiotic theory supposes that states can legislate themselves out of the Constitution. Which they cannot. If a state were to just ignore the will of the people, send in fake electors to just throw it for the other guy, you'd clearly have a violation of everyone's right to vote in that state.

So, no. It's idiotic to suggest that because certain state's have granted themselves sway over how their electors are sent, that they could then just ignore how the voting goes.

You really need to just hurry up and get banned for the fourth time already.
 
I know you're a gimmick account, but just to knock down this retarded theory you're proposing:

Is that it is completely legally unsound. The reason? That pesky 1st Amendment you guys have come to hate. Your idiotic theory supposes that states can legislate themselves out of the Constitution. Which they cannot. If a state were to just ignore the will of the people, send in fake electors to just throw it for the other guy, you'd clearly have a violation of everyone's right to vote in that state.

So, no. It's idiotic to suggest that because certain state's have granted themselves sway over how their electors are sent, that they could then just ignore how the voting goes.

You really need to just hurry up and get banned for the fourth time already.
What are you talking about, there is no law against electors in the state of Georgia, casting a ballot for whoever they want.
Bro I posted the laws by name, 32 states have legally binding electors, Georgia is not one of them.

This is an asinine charge that no law on the book exists for.

Sorry that your hatreded for someone makes you think that harassment in the form of the criminal justice system against a political opponent is suddenly ok, its not bud.

Post for me the law by name in the state of Georgia that binds electors...you can't and you won't, because it doesn't exist.


Yet I'm the one denying reailty.


You know nazis thought it was cool to persecute political opponents, and invent law to do so as well...
 
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I know you're a gimmick account, but just to knock down this retarded theory you're proposing:

Is that it is completely legally unsound. The reason? That pesky 1st Amendment you guys have come to hate. Your idiotic theory supposes that states can legislate themselves out of the Constitution. Which they cannot. If a state were to just ignore the will of the people, send in fake electors to just throw it for the other guy, you'd clearly have a violation of everyone's right to vote in that state.

So, no. It's idiotic to suggest that because certain state's have granted themselves sway over how their electors are sent, that they could then just ignore how the voting goes.

You really need to just hurry up and get banned for the fourth time already.
None of this is true. It's far more complicated than this.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

The United States Constitution does not specify a notion of pledging; no federal law or constitutional statute binds an elector's vote to anything. All pledging laws originate at the state level;[6][7] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld these state laws in its 1952 ruling Ray v. Blair. In 2020, the Supreme Court also ruled in Chiafalo v. Washington that states are free to enforce laws that bind electors to voting for the winner of the popular vote in their state.[8]

MacBride, pledged for Republicans Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, cast his electoral votes for Libertarian candidates John Hospers and Tonie Nathan. MacBride's vice-presidential vote for Nathan was the first electoral vote cast for a woman in U.S. history.[36]

11976 election: Washington Elector Mike Padden, pledged for Republicans Gerald Ford and Bob Dole, cast his presidential electoral vote for Ronald Reagan, who had challenged Ford for the Republican nomination. He cast his vice presidential vote, as pledged, for Dole.[37]

11988 election: West Virginia Elector Margarette Leach, pledged for Democrats Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen, instead cast her votes for the candidates in the reverse of their positions on the national ticket as a form of protest against the winner-take-all custom of the Electoral College; her presidential vote went to Bentsen and her vice-presidential vote to Dukakis.[38]

2000 and 2004Edit
12000 election: Washington, D.C. Elector Barbara Lett-Simmons, pledged for Democrats Al Gore and Joe Lieberman, cast no electoral votes as a protest of Washington D.C.'s lack of voting congressional representation.[39] Lett-Simmons's electoral college abstention, the first since 1864, was intended to protest what Lett-Simmons referred to as the federal district's "colonial status".[39] Lett-Simmons described her blank ballot as an act of civil disobedience, not an act of a faithless elector; Lett-Simmons supported Gore and would have voted for Gore if she had thought he had a chance to win.[39]

12004 election: An anonymous Minnesota elector, pledged for Democrats John Kerry and John Edwards, cast their presidential vote for "John Ewards" [sic],[40] rather than Kerry, presumably by accident.[41] All of Minnesota's electors cast their vice presidential ballots for John Edwards, including the elector who cast the anomalous presidential vote. Minnesota's electors cast secret ballots, so the identity of the faithless elector is not known. As a result of this incident, Minnesota statutes were amended to provide for public balloting of the electors' votes and invalidation of a vote cast for someone other than the candidate to whom the elector is pledged.[42][10]

2016Edit
Main article: Faithless electors in the 2016 United States presidential election
102016 election:

In addition, three other electors attempted to vote against their pledges but had their votes invalidated:

  • In Colorado, Kasich received one vote for president, which was invalidated, and the elector was replaced by one who cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.[45]
  • In Maine, a Democratic Party elector attempted to vote for Bernie Sanders for president but ultimately cast a vote for Clinton.
  • A Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party elector voted for Bernie Sanders for president and Tulsi Gabbard for vice president, but these votes were invalidated and the elector was replaced by an alternate elector who then cast votes for Clinton and Tim Kaine.


Hey @Darkballs
Your idiotic suggestion that the state of Georgia has enacted laws in regards to state electors is retarded, no sorry your little whirlwind of Ill informed personal insults does not change reailty bud.

You know state electors of the democratic party cast their vote for the loser in protest right, in 2016?

The did so for Gore in 2000 as well
Kerry in 04 too

There's a whole list


One of those people actually did break a state law, because that state had the law on its books and THEY got fined, the rouge elector did, it didn't lead to felony charges against Gore or Clinton, Kerry, regan, Ford, or Nixon,
Should I continue or do you get my point yet?


So yeah , keep calling for banning posters for being more knowledgeable then you. Must suck to have to deal with someone like me, who utterly destroyes you and your ilk thread after thread and I won't back down either


of 2020, 33 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require electors to vote for the candidates for whom they pledged to vote, though in half of these jurisdictions there is no enforcement mechanism. In 14 states, votes contrary to the pledge are voided and the respective electors are replaced, and in two of these states they may also be fined. Three other states impose a penalty on faithless electors but still count their votes as cast.[1]


Yup anytime that a faithless elector cast a vote in defiance of their states outcome, the FAITHLESS ELECTOR received a fine...

A fine

A fucking fine


But for the first time in history, the canidiate the faithless elector was thinking about casting his electoral vote for IS FACING A FELONY

Thinking about it, not actually doing it no..

But fucking thinking about it

Wtf is wrong with you people?
 
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Dude should know by now, stop engaging with me if you're not educated on the subject at hand. I don't know alot, but the little I know I know.


@Darkballs

You understand that? Do not engage with me if you're unable to provide a receipt
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

The United States Constitution does not specify a notion of pledging; no federal law or constitutional statute binds an elector's vote to anything. All pledging laws originate at the state level;[6][7] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld these state laws in its 1952 ruling Ray v. Blair. In 2020, the Supreme Court also ruled in Chiafalo v. Washington that states are free to enforce laws that bind electors to voting for the winner of the popular vote in their state.[8]

MacBride, pledged for Republicans Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, cast his electoral votes for Libertarian candidates John Hospers and Tonie Nathan. MacBride's vice-presidential vote for Nathan was the first electoral vote cast for a woman in U.S. history.[36]

11976 election: Washington Elector Mike Padden, pledged for Republicans Gerald Ford and Bob Dole, cast his presidential electoral vote for Ronald Reagan, who had challenged Ford for the Republican nomination. He cast his vice presidential vote, as pledged, for Dole.[37]

11988 election: West Virginia Elector Margarette Leach, pledged for Democrats Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen, instead cast her votes for the candidates in the reverse of their positions on the national ticket as a form of protest against the winner-take-all custom of the Electoral College; her presidential vote went to Bentsen and her vice-presidential vote to Dukakis.[38]

2000 and 2004Edit
12000 election: Washington, D.C. Elector Barbara Lett-Simmons, pledged for Democrats Al Gore and Joe Lieberman, cast no electoral votes as a protest of Washington D.C.'s lack of voting congressional representation.[39] Lett-Simmons's electoral college abstention, the first since 1864, was intended to protest what Lett-Simmons referred to as the federal district's "colonial status".[39] Lett-Simmons described her blank ballot as an act of civil disobedience, not an act of a faithless elector; Lett-Simmons supported Gore and would have voted for Gore if she had thought he had a chance to win.[39]

12004 election: An anonymous Minnesota elector, pledged for Democrats John Kerry and John Edwards, cast their presidential vote for "John Ewards" [sic],[40] rather than Kerry, presumably by accident.[41] All of Minnesota's electors cast their vice presidential ballots for John Edwards, including the elector who cast the anomalous presidential vote. Minnesota's electors cast secret ballots, so the identity of the faithless elector is not known. As a result of this incident, Minnesota statutes were amended to provide for public balloting of the electors' votes and invalidation of a vote cast for someone other than the candidate to whom the elector is pledged.[42][10]

2016Edit
Main article: Faithless electors in the 2016 United States presidential election
102016 election:

In addition, three other electors attempted to vote against their pledges but had their votes invalidated:

  • In Colorado, Kasich received one vote for president, which was invalidated, and the elector was replaced by one who cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.[45]
  • In Maine, a Democratic Party elector attempted to vote for Bernie Sanders for president but ultimately cast a vote for Clinton.
  • A Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party elector voted for Bernie Sanders for president and Tulsi Gabbard for vice president, but these votes were invalidated and the elector was replaced by an alternate elector who then cast votes for Clinton and Tim Kaine.


Hey @Darkballs
Your idiotic suggestion that the state of Georgia has enacted laws in regards to state electors is retarded, no sorry your little whirlwind of I'll informed personal insults does not change reailty bud.

You know state electors of the democratic party cast their vote for the loser in protest right, in 2016?

The did so for Gore in 2000 as well
Kerry in 04 too

There's a whole list


One of those people actually did break a state law, because that state had the law on its books and THEY got fined, the rouge elector did, it didn't lead to felony charges against Gore or Clinton, Kerry, regan, Ford, or Nixon,
Should I continue or do you get my point yet?


So yeah , keep calling for banning posters for being more knowledgeable then you. Must suck to have to deal with someone like me, who utterly destroyes you and your ilk thread after thread and I won't back down either


of 2020, 33 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require electors to vote for the candidates for whom they pledged to vote, though in half of these jurisdictions there is no enforcement mechanism. In 14 states, votes contrary to the pledge are voided and the respective electors are replaced, and in two of these states they may also be fined. Three other states impose a penalty on faithless electors but still count their votes as cast.[1]


Yup anytime that a faithless elector cast a vote in defiance of their states outcome, the FAITHLESS ELECTOR received a fine...

A fine

A fucking fine


But for the first time in history, the canidiate the faithless elector was thinking about casting his electoral vote for IS FACING A FELONY

Thinking about it, not actually doing it no..

But fucking thinking about it

Wtf is wrong with you people?
Were any of those other candidates involved in an actual scheme, with fake alternate electors appointed by allies in the State Legislature, to disenfranchise the majority of the state's voters once the VP rejected the legitimate electors? Were any of those other candidates recorded asking an election official to artificially find enough votes for him to win the election?
 
Were any of those other candidates involved in an actual scheme, with fake alternate electors appointed by allies in the State Legislature, to disenfranchise the majority of the state's voters once the VP rejected the legitimate electors? Were any of those other candidates recorded asking an election official to artificially find enough votes for him to win the election?
Lol yes , I literally posted that the Washington DC Democrat that voted for Gore , almost convinced another state to join her

She received a fine, Gore didn't get charged with a felony

The two faithless democrat electors that voted for Kerry instead of Bush didn't recieve a fine because they represented states that didn't have legally bound electors...like Georgia


But an elector considering voting for Trump,
doesn't just get a fine for a thought crime...
No they are attempting to slap a felony on the candiate he was thinking of voting for...


He isn't even subject to a fine though because GEORGIA DOES NOT HAVE A LAW CONCERNING FAITHLESS ELECTORS

There's the make up "trump did a whole bunch of shit, that isn't illegal, but we don't like Trump so it should be illegal, so charge him with a felony in the state of Georgia, for something that historicly leads to a fine for the faithless elector" but again Georgia has no laws concerning faithless electors...

As the Supreme Court states in their ruling
"States have the ability to make faithless electors a crime if they so choose "
Georgia is a state, Georgia has not wrote a law concerning faithless electors


There's no way to spin that


There have been no less then 20 fucking elections where faithless electors cast a vote

3 times since 88 and all three times the dems did it, including 2016

Only in 2000 was a faithless elector ever charged and fined for the act


For fuck sakes the state of Minnesota has anonymous electors, so if a faithless elector arises from that state, no one would even know who to fine.
 
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I literally should be a professor and you all should be forced to sit in my class. ...
 
Lol yes , I literally posted that the Washington DC Democrat that voted for Gore , almost convinced another state to join her

She received a fine, Gore didn't get charged with a felony

The two faithless democrat electors that voted for Kerry instead of Bush didn't recieve a fine because they represented states that didn't have legally bound electors...like Georgia


But an elector considering voting for Trump,
doesn't just get a fine for a thought crime...
No they are attempting to slap a felony on the candiate he was thinking of voting for...


He isn't even subject to a fine though because GEORGIA DOES NOT HAVE A LAW CONCERNING FAITHLESS ELECTORS

There's the make up "trump did a whole bunch of shit, that isn't illegal, but we don't like Trump so it should be illegal, so charge him with a felony in the state of Georgia, for something that historicly leads to a fine for the faithless elector" but again Georgia has no laws concerning faithless electors...

As the Supreme Court states in their ruling
"States have the ability to make faithless electors a crime if they so choose "
Georgia is a state, Georgia has not wrote a law concerning faithless electors


There's no way to spin that


There have been no less then 20 fucking elections where faithless electors cast a vote

3 times since 88 and all three times the dems did it, including 2016

Only in 2000 was a faithless elector ever charged and fined for the act
Is there evidence Gore or any other candidate schemed with those legitimate electors to cast their vote for the loser? Trump schemed with State Legislature leaders to have a seperate slate of "fake" electors that would cast their votes once Pence rejected the legitimate ones. Maybe I'm missing something but that seems a lot different than what happened in the examples you gave.
 
Is there evidence Gore or any other candidate schemed with those legitimate electors to cast their vote for the loser? Trump schemed with State Legislature leaders to have a seperate slate of "fake" electors that would cast their votes once Pence rejected the legitimate ones. Maybe I'm missing something but that seems a lot different than what happened in the examples you gave.
Yes al gore refused to concede, brought his case to court, failed and escalated it to the Supreme Court.

The whole base of his case was one district in Florida had a odd spike of mail in ballots, and wanted the election to be overturned because of this.


Donald Trump had to deal with a spike of mail in ballots in every district of every state.


Got anything else bud

The law is blind, law doesn't work on conjecture
It doesn't matter if the elector of Georgia stood up and said fuck Georgia I vote Trump

There would be no legal ramifications, because you can't break a law, that doesn't exist
 
Yes al gore refused to concede, brought his case to court, failed and escalated it to the Supreme Court.

The whole base of his case was one district in Florida had a odd spike of mail in ballots, and wanted the election to be overturned because of this.


Donald Trump had to deal with a spike of mail in ballots in every district of every state.


Got anything else bud
Refusing to concede is not the same as getting fake electors appointed and then pressuring your VP to cast aside the legitimate electors. That seems to make it more of a conspiracy than a simple challenge of the results.
 
Refusing to concede is not the same as getting fake electors appointed and then pressuring your VP to cast aside the legitimate electors. That seems to make it more of a conspiracy than a simple challenge of the results.
I know, al gore actually succeeded in getting a fake elector bud....trump had none.

Gore actually had a fake elector....

Get it?

Also the term isn't fake elector it's called "faithless elector" a violation in 33 states (Georgia not one of them) that leads to the replacement of the elector or in the one case in 2000, a fine being imposed on the elector


Speaking of laws, there's no laws on thought crimes either the elector didn't cast his vote for Trump, unlike the Washington DC Democrat in 2000...

He only considered doing it
 
it's not pride, it righteous indignation
I'm sure Trump is proud of you for feeling that way for him. Poor guy is this nation's biggest victim, and don't forget to donate, he needs every dollar he can get to fight all this fraud against him.
 
If you think the Trump criminal election investigation in GA involves faithless electors, you need to go back to school professor.
umm did you not listen to the video lmao the fuck you talking about?
 
I'm sure Trump is proud of you for feeling that way for him. Poor guy is this nation's biggest victim, and don't forget to donate, he needs every dollar he can get to fight all this fraud against him.
oh don't worry. You must not be paying attention, Americans have gave more to the Trump campaign, in the weeks following the NY indictment then any candiate has ever legally received (the most donations ever go to the dnc in 2020, with Sam Friedmans illegal 8 billion dollar donation)
That's Americans not just me
 
I know, al gore actually succeeded in getting a fake elector bud....trump had none.

Gore actually had a fake elector....

Get it?

Also the term isn't fake elector it's called "faithless elector" a violation in 33 states (Georgia not one of them) that leads to the replacement of the elector or in the one case in 2000, a fine being imposed on the elector


Speaking of laws, there's no laws on thought crimes either the elector didn't cast his vote for Trump, unlike the Washington DC Democrat in 2000...

He only considered doing it
He had a fake alternate elector or did he have a legitimate elector cast a "faithless" vote for him?
 
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