Elections Elderly MSNBC Viewer Tells Them She Voted for Bernie Because They HATE Him

HeffDoesWant said:
I never questioned it's existence. I merely showed what the word meant.

Let me ask, are we a capitalist society or did that never happen either
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...so it's not communist how, exactly?

a forcible shift of (control of) means of production to the workers...

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rob mafia said:
...so it's not communist how, exactly?

a forcible shift of means of production to the workers...
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Is your position that any incremental move towards a system whereby workers compensation is directly tied to company performance is communism. And this despite the overall system being vastly more representative of a capitalist system.

I see no other way for you to consider this communist and I think stupidity of such an assessment is self evident.

20% of only 1 section (large) of 1 type of asset (business) being partially similar but vastly more dissimilar to communism does not make it communism to any rational mind.
 
HeffDoesWant said:
Is your position that any incremental move towards a system whereby workers compensation is directly tied to company performance is communism. And this despite the overall system being vastly more representative of a capitalist system.

I see no other way for you to consider this communist and I think stupidity of such an assessment is self evident.

20% of only 1 section (large) of 1 type of asset (business) being partially similar but vastly more dissimilar to communism does not make it communism to any rational mind.
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...so if it's incremental, it's not communism? your argument is that it's only communism if it's all at once? brilliant. sheer brilliance.

so bernie's not a communist because his platform is only at phase 1? and he won't be a communist until what, he's at phase 5? no flaws in this logic.

something, something, means of production...

lolz @ denying that workers taking ownership of a business by force is communist.
 
rob mafia said:
...so if it's incremental, it's not communism? your argument is that it's only communism if it's all at once? brilliant. sheer brilliance.

so bernie's not a communist because his platform is only at phase 1? and he won't be a communist until what, he's at phase 5? no flaws in this logic.

something, something, means of production...

lolz @ denying that workers taking ownership of a business by force is communist.
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So clearly Trump would be facist by similar standards, agree or do you only deploy this faulty logic selectively?
 
HeffDoesWant said:
So clearly Trump would be facist by similar standards, agree or do you only deploy this faulty logic selectively?
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protip:

Communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

Communism includes a variety of schools of thought which broadly include Marxism and anarchism (anarcho-communism and social anarchism) as well as the political ideologies grouped around both. All of these share the analysis that the current order of society stems from its economic system and mode of production, capitalism; that in this system there are two major social classes; that conflict between these two classes is the root of all problems in society;[7] and that this situation will ultimately be resolved through a social revolution. The two classes are the proletariat (the working class)—who must work to survive and who make up the majority within society—and the bourgeoisie (the capitalist class)—a minority who derives profit from employing the working class through private ownership of the means of production. The revolution will put the working class in power and in turn establish social ownership of the means of production, which according to this analysis is the primary element in the transformation of society towards communism.
 
Madmick said:
Reminds me of the old lady in OJ: Made in America who admitted she hung the jury in spite of believing OJ was guilty simply because it was "revenge" against the LAPD, and the white establishment.

This is how mindless Bernie supporters are. Emotions guide them. Not knowledge, experience, or reason.
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Utter lack of reasoning in making this blanket statement. Bernie's base consists of people like me who've seen what about 50 years of unchecked neoliberal policies have done to society and want necessary social democratic reforms to correct the problem. Yes, there are people like that woman who will be swung by relatively silly stuff like that, but I'll take it. Every candidate who wins needs to get voters like that. But Bernie's base is voting for him because he's been the most consistent on these issues and is committed to fighting for them.
 
rob mafia said:
protip:

Communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

Communism includes a variety of schools of thought which broadly include Marxism and anarchism (anarcho-communism and social anarchism) as well as the political ideologies grouped around both. All of these share the analysis that the current order of society stems from its economic system and mode of production, capitalism; that in this system there are two major social classes; that conflict between these two classes is the root of all problems in society;[7] and that this situation will ultimately be resolved through a social revolution. The two classes are the proletariat (the working class)—who must work to survive and who make up the majority within society—and the bourgeoisie (the capitalist class)—a minority who derives profit from employing the working class through private ownership of the means of production. The revolution will put the working class in power and in turn establish social ownership of the means of production, which according to this analysis is the primary element in the transformation of society towards communism.
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Love the pretty colours but what are you trying to say?
 
AlexDB9 said:
Wait until people in the general hear he wants open boarders and health care for illegals....it’s going to be a riot

Styles make fights. Doormat is Trumps easiest matchup given the plethora of available content. I don’t get why these guys can’t see that, but some learn the hard way
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<TrumpWrong1>

Bernie is Trump's worst nightmare in a debate.

Bernie is the only one who will talk about policy and be tenacious, never letting go of the point he is making. Trump will call Bernie a radical like everyone else and then Bernie will own it and say he is a radical for the people. Bernie won't just say that Trump has failed, he will list the reasons why and show Trump actually made the swamp bigger.

The other candidates would go after Trump's character which has been talked about to death, Trump would have the same lame ass insults for them that he would have for Bernie and his flock of sheep would eat it up just the same. They won't go too hard because deep down they are more similar than they can admit.

Bernie really is the anti-Trump. I would love to see the head to head. There's a reason the media avoids Bernie at all cost, and why they weren't afraid to cover Trump more than anyone else.
 
Jackie Blue said:
Utter lack of reasoning in making this blanket statement. Bernie's base consists of people like me who've seen what about 50 years of unchecked neoliberal policies have done to society and want necessary social democratic reforms to correct the problem. Yes, there are people like that woman who will be swung by relatively silly stuff like that, but I'll take it. Every candidate who wins needs to get voters like that. But Bernie's base is voting for him because he's been the most consistent on these issues and is committed to fighting for them.
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You yourself testified the "I voted for him because it makes people mad" attitude innervated you.

Five decades of "neoliberal" policies will prove the bullet wound next to ground zero of what that dimwitted socialist intends to do. Everything is "free", except that none of the stuff that is supposedly free will really be free, and of course, it won't be the rich who pay for it. it's always the middle, and it will be with Bernie, too. Free health care, free college, free housing for "vulnerable" populations, free drug rehab, free job training, free mental health services. I can barely keep up. It's a disaster. Hell, guys like Yang, as civil as he is, wants to award free income!!

There's tons of money that we don't need to spend we already spend; on the military, on foreign aid, and on endless entitlement programs that don't stimulate better habits and a stronger collective economy. We should spend more money on infrastructure and maintenance, like brush clearing, and 1/6th the amount on emergency services like putting out fires or treating people poisoned by drinking water toxified by our own mismanagement of waste, for example, and treating all the people left at the mercy of those disasters which could have been more effectively controlled.

In addition to those, there's only a few things we need to do that liberals favor like confronting the central banks with stronger regulations, and penalizing corporations (specifically foreign corporations) that seek to evade taxes, wherever that lands us in their view as a favorable destination for business. Frankly, that stick approach needs to be limited. I prefer the carrot. We should work incentives into government policy that reward companies that maintain better pay equality, for example, and other behaviors we deem desirable.

Porridge.
 
I'm not a Bernie Sander's fan. I hope he does not win.

From what I've seen though with the media attacks, I figure they are not doing themselves any favors.
 
Madmick said:
Reminds me of the old lady in OJ: Made in America who admitted she hung the jury in spite of believing OJ was guilty simply because it was "revenge" against the LAPD, and the white establishment.

This is how mindless Bernie supporters are. Emotions guide them. Not knowledge, experience, or reason.
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Can you let me know which supporter base is guided by knowledge, experience or reason? Its certainly not supporters of trump.
 
All my Trump friends who troll voted for him vs Hilary are now doing the same for Bernie...

Trump supporters please understand your missing the troll vote now...That is IMO 20-30% of your base.

Get upset or nit pick what I'm saying but the roughly 15 people I know who voted for Trump are making an effort to not vote for him this time around an 100% back Bernie because why not?...That is the exact same reason they gave for backing Trump...Why not?

Trump isn't untested now... Hell even the jar heads in my circle are voting for Bernie... Trump isn't a for sure win at all..... No clue why Trump supporters think they got this in the bag..
 
Madmick said:
You yourself testified the "I voted for him because it makes people made" innervated you.

Five decades of "neoliberal" policies will prove the bullet wound next to ground zero of what that dimwitted socialist intends to do. Everything is "free", except that none of the stuff that is supposedly free will really be free, and of course, it won't be the rich who pay for it. it's always the middle, and it will be with Bernie, too. Free health care, free college, free housing for "vulnerable" populations, free drug rehab, free job training, free mental health services. I can barely keep up. It's a disaster. Hell, guys like Yang, as civil as he is, wants to award free income!!

There's tons of money that we don't need to spend we already spend; on the military, on foreign aid, and on endless entitlement programs that don't stimulate better habits and a stronger collective economy. We should spend more money on infrastructure and maintenance, like brush clearing, and 1/6th the amount on emergency services like putting out fires or treating people poisoned by drinking water toxified by our own mismanagement of waste, for example, and treating all the people left at the mercy of those disasters which could have been more effectively controlled.

In addition to those, there's only a few things we need to do that liberals favor like confronting the central banks with stronger regulations, and penalizing corporations (specifically foreign corporations) that seek to evade taxes, wherever that lands us in their view as a favorable destination for business. Frankly, that stick approach needs to be limited. I prefer the carrot. We should work incentives into government policy that reward companies that maintain better pay equality, for example, and other behaviors we deem desirable.

Porridge.
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Yes, as a Bernie supporter I get a kick out of seeing the MSM's smear tactics backfire on them, just like Trump fans enjoy the same thing with their guy. I don't deny it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it, you need to expand beyond the base. I only object to the notion that the base is uninformed. In fact, it's a knowledge of the issues and Bernie's strong, unwavering stance on them that endears us to him. We're not voting for him because of his Brooklyn accent and bad posture, it's policy.

Look, I'm not a socialist, I don't support socialism, especially authoritarian socialism. I'm not as far to the left as Bernie, especially philosophically, or even on policy probably. Bernie's not going to get his entire wish list, which is probably a good thing, just like it's a good thing with Trump or pretty much any president. What Bernie will do is fight with the right and when they meet us halfway, it will be something closer to our favor than usual. The problem with guys like Biden is that he negotiates from the middle and then compromises from there to a right wing conclusion. It's a week place to negotiate from. Bernie will negotiate from a position of strength.

You raise some good points. Obviously, our ideologies are quite different. I'm not going to tell you you're uninformed or anything like that, because you're not, we just disagree. I think in the US we've been getting screwed while other Western countries have benefited from more equitable policies. I think we should have listened to Kennedy about health care. I think we should have listened to Eisenhower about the military industrial complex. Bernie is a step in the right direction on both fronts. We already have socialism in the US, but sadly it's going to the MIC and to Corporate America instead of us.
 
AlexDB9 said:
Communists never have original ideas and always steal intellectual property. Not surprised
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*steals gif of guy dancing with communist flag to use on white male fighting forum*
 
Jackie Blue said:
If Trump loses even part of the two-time Obama voters in the Rust Belt, it could be over for him. I really like our chances...
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Bernie has a lot of insane ideas that will crash the economy + destroy and/ or effectively seize everyone's investments, including retirements, almost immediately because he wants to give them to the "workers" -- and, even if you're a worker, you aren't the "workers". Bernie bros try to avoid talking about these and say that he's not a socialist when he clearly is if you read his website. And we're not talking about democratic socialist like wanting universal healthcare and cheap public education, we're talking about real, scary socialism socialist. Trump's not going to avoid talking about those things in the general elections.
 
franklinstower said:
They will ALL vote against Trump and your head has to be in your ass not to realize this.
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Who will they vote for when Trump points out what the actual effects of Bernie's "wall street" tax are?

How are mostly white voters in swing states going to react to language like implementing "economic justice" to settle "climate justice" and "racial justice" and all that it entails?

Who will they vote for when Trump points out that Bernie's website says he wants to take 20% of everyone's investment/ retirement portfolios and redistribute it to 'Democratic Employee Ownership Funds"?
 
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