Editorial Demands New Agility Testing After Liddell Fight Sanctioned

[AJ Garcia]

You lost me when you said Tito vs Chuck was worse then Ali vs Berbick. Dumb rant Points metre broke on that, sorry.

Yep. This part of the article was retarded-

“Chuck Liddell’s fight with Tito Ortiz on Saturday night was actually worse than the end of Ali’s career.

Granted, there is no evidence of the hidden signs of neurological damage, nor is there any evidence that Liddell was filled with thyroid medication, as Ali was in the Holmes fight to make his body look presentable and fool he public into thinking he was in better shape than he had been in years. Ali went into a fight on medication that only made his fighting condition that much worse.”

So it was worse, even tho there was none of all this other stuff with Ali?

This is going to be an unpopular opinion of mine about this, but that’s fine. Chuck passed his physical. He chose to take this fight. He wasn’t getting in there was some young beast like Costa or someone like that. He’s 49 and fought a 44 year old and made a decent amount of money to do so.

Now do I think he should’ve fought? No. Of course not. We can all agree that he should’ve stayed retired, but he wanted to to fight again and passed everything he needed to for a fight against another aging vet. The commission shouldn’t let an old man fight a young killer that will no doubt take his head off, but if two vets in their 40’s want to fight each other and pass a physical, then go ahead.

 

[The Bard]

First, without asking why, let's just acknowledge historical evidence. It is a fact that many of the great power punchers in history are well known for being slow. Some examples are George Foreman, Rocky Marciano, Earnie Shavers, Mark Hunt, Dan Henderson, and Chuck himself. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say.

But why? F=ma right? This is a very interesting question and I'm not going to do justice to it below, but one explanation is that when you say "speed" in boxing, you're not referring to the speed of the fist right before it impacts your face. You're actually referring to, among other things, the total time between when the punch is first launched to the time when it makes impact. Many power punchers load the hell out of their punches, that's partly where the extra power comes from. So while the punch may be moving extra fast right before it hits your face, the entire movement will be perceived as slow. Just think about Chuck's overhand right. In contrast, one way fighters who rely on speed get that speed is to minimize load up. So you will perceive the punch as much faster because of the much smaller amount of time between launch and impact, but it may be moving with less speed right before it hits your face. Just think of a jab. A jab is always perceived to be "faster" than an overhand, but has a lot less impact. One reason is that the time between when a jab launches and when it hits is short, but a jab is probably moving slower than an overhand right before the moment of impact.

Now the above explains why it is possible to be both slow and a power puncher, but it doesn't explain why there is (probably) a historical correlation between power punchers and slowness. I'll leave that for another wall of text at some later time.

It's really not that hard to explain. The tip of a wind turbine can move at nearly 200 MPH, but it looks slow to the eye because of the length of the apparatus. Same thing with a long power punch thrown with a lot of load-up and motion. Chuck's overhand on The Reem is a perfect example.

 

[beastman]

Old man strength doesn't always have agility as well, except for Trump

 

[elwani]

It's really not that hard to explain. The tip of a wind turbine can move at nearly 200 MPH, but it looks slow to the eye because of the length of the apparatus. Same thing with a long power punch thrown with a lot of load-up and motion. Chuck's overhand on The Reem is a perfect example.

Everything's easy after someone else already does or says it first.

 

[Mike]

These aren't street fights, this is s sanctioned sporting event. Frankly, the idea that anyone, in any condition, should be allowed to fight is completely asinine.


This isn't a generation or two ago, when we didn't know the risks.

 

[Vil7]

CSAC's Andy Foster should have to answer to the Governor why he let this fight get sanctioned, and every doctor involved in clearing his medicals should be in front of a review board to defend their decision.

Chuck clearly lacked the most basic mechanics of throwing a punch. He was compromised and had obvious mobility problems.

It is the height of absurdity that this thing got sanctioned in a state like California.

Yeah he looked like he had nerve damage & some major injuries. I'm glad he didn't get seriously hurt in the fight.