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All this talk about leg kicks...
Anyone remember what he did to Mendes and Swanson with knees?
Mark Hominick's grapefruit-sized lump?
Should I go on?
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All this talk about leg kicks...
Anyone remember what he did to Mendes and Swanson with knees?
Mark Hominick's grapefruit-sized lump?
Should I go on?
Via elbow from guard if I remember correct? Aldo can inflict serious damage wherever the fight takes place, the kicks look awesome for the highlight reels but are not his only weapon.
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conor's reach will make the difference here, the dude can land from too far away.
Exactly. Conor will surely put up a good fight, but Aldo is proven to be able to defeat anyone the UFC can put in front of him over and over again.
He is probably the most solid fighter in the UFC by now and it numbs my mind when I see someone thinking Conor will walk all over him and TKO him like it is nothing, just not logical at all.
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Frankie knows.
I think Aldo will come out aggressive on this one and will try to finish Conor. This is the fight where he has the chance of making an statement.
I think Aldo will come out aggressive on this one and will try to finish Conor. This is the fight where he has the chance of making an statement.
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Cause that has happened so many times in the last 6 years while Aldo has been*fighting nothing but top 10 guys as champ.
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How the fuck can you just say that about the guy with the best defense in MMA?
Are you really that ignorant?
Aldo is the best striker Conor has ever fought and also the best striker he is likely to face throughout the entirety of his career.
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Frankie knows what's up... And I really believe that he's the only real threat to Connor due his wrestling and speed.
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Connor is the best striker Aldo has even been matched against.
Aldo is the best striker, wrestler, and grappler that Connor has ever been matched with.
The door swings both ways.
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Which seems to be the likely outcome given that Conor isn't likely to look to take Aldo down. I see this fight looking something like Aldo v Hominick.
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its assuncao that Faber Fights Next In A Rematch
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Conor is bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, more athletic, more technical, more motivated, more obsessed, less fearful, smarter and more emotionally invested than any fighter we have ever seen at featherweight. It is understandable that Edgar said such a thing as he, like every person, can only assess from his personal experiences. He lost to Aldo (albeit competitively) and every person has an ego, to concede that McGregor is superior to Aldo would be to concede that there is a new quality of beast with which Frankie is not aware of. Everything is relative from one's point of view and although it appears Conor is a new breed of beast, Frankie could not possibly understand this based upon his competitive experiences.
We have seen the same thing with JBJ before. To those that had the eye, they could realize that he was on a totally different level then the rest of LHW division which was very competitive at the time. JBJ, like Conor, came into a competitive division and started first round finishing guys that were never first round finished. By the time he reached Shogun, a violent Brazilian Muay Thai specialist with one of the scariest reputations of any fighter ever, many people thought that JBJ would be exposed and the odds were fairly close by fight time. JBJ walked thru Shogun in the same fashion he walked thru everyone else up to that time and proved, without a shadow of a doubt, that he was indeed a new quality of beast. Sound familiar?
We have seen the same thing with JBJ before. To those that had the eye, they could realize that he was on a totally different level then the rest of LHW division which was very competitive at the time. JBJ, like Conor, came into a competitive division and started first round finishing guys that were never first round finished. By the time he reached Shogun, a violent Brazilian Muay Thai specialist with one of the scariest reputations of any fighter ever, many people thought that JBJ would be exposed and the odds were fairly close by fight time. JBJ walked thru Shogun in the same fashion he walked thru everyone else up to that time and proved, without a shadow of a doubt, that he was indeed a new quality of beast. Sound familiar?
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I think its slightly jumping the gun to assert that Connor is clearly the best striker Aldo has ever fought because Frankie is a very, very good striker.
His boxing is crisp, his movement lightning quick and extremely fluid, and he actually moves his head. He does not possess the knockout power that McGregor has, but he is a very skilled if a volume striker.
I tend to think of myself as a pretty rational guy, I don't hate McGregor but I am far from a fanboy and will be rooting for Aldo (probably somewhat just to see the reaction of the McGOAT crowd) and I believe he is truly an elite, unique test for Aldo. Frankie moved better, Connor has more power. McGregor is also a proponent of psychological warfare, he will try and get in Aldo's head. I don't believe he will be successful, and I have yet to see how Connor responds to any adversary being able to defend and control a fight against him. McGregor has never been in trouble in the UFC, we will have to see how he fights in deep water, the late rounds, when he fights Aldo.
Its sort of like Jones before Gus, although I don't believe McGregor is quite the elite prospect and fighter Jones is right now.
McGregor could land a KO blow flush, that can happen in any fight between elite fighters, but I dont believe he can submit him.
Everyone talks about the striking, but the grappling should be extremely interesting. McGregor has never been on the mat with a killer like Aldo. Connor has shown great takedowns, smothering top control and works for submissions. But Aldo is one of the better grapplers P4P in MMA but its not his preferred area of fighting. He will not be outwitted in the fight, if he feels he is losing the stand up battle he will no doubt attempt to clinch up or take down Connor to see how the fight plays out somewhere besides at striking distance. Maybe the clinch works for Aldo, his knees and elbows are vicious and he has KO power, or maybe he works for takedowns and tries to either implement his will with strikes or work for position and submission. But he will not fight stupid, like Siver did.
Its a great fight, and great for the company because Connor has the Floyd Mayweather attitude and Aldo is the long time, reigning champion. Aldo also loves it, because that means more people will be watching his fight and he will make more money and can ask for more money going forward.
His boxing is crisp, his movement lightning quick and extremely fluid, and he actually moves his head. He does not possess the knockout power that McGregor has, but he is a very skilled if a volume striker.
I tend to think of myself as a pretty rational guy, I don't hate McGregor but I am far from a fanboy and will be rooting for Aldo (probably somewhat just to see the reaction of the McGOAT crowd) and I believe he is truly an elite, unique test for Aldo. Frankie moved better, Connor has more power. McGregor is also a proponent of psychological warfare, he will try and get in Aldo's head. I don't believe he will be successful, and I have yet to see how Connor responds to any adversary being able to defend and control a fight against him. McGregor has never been in trouble in the UFC, we will have to see how he fights in deep water, the late rounds, when he fights Aldo.
Its sort of like Jones before Gus, although I don't believe McGregor is quite the elite prospect and fighter Jones is right now.
McGregor could land a KO blow flush, that can happen in any fight between elite fighters, but I dont believe he can submit him.
Everyone talks about the striking, but the grappling should be extremely interesting. McGregor has never been on the mat with a killer like Aldo. Connor has shown great takedowns, smothering top control and works for submissions. But Aldo is one of the better grapplers P4P in MMA but its not his preferred area of fighting. He will not be outwitted in the fight, if he feels he is losing the stand up battle he will no doubt attempt to clinch up or take down Connor to see how the fight plays out somewhere besides at striking distance. Maybe the clinch works for Aldo, his knees and elbows are vicious and he has KO power, or maybe he works for takedowns and tries to either implement his will with strikes or work for position and submission. But he will not fight stupid, like Siver did.
Its a great fight, and great for the company because Connor has the Floyd Mayweather attitude and Aldo is the long time, reigning champion. Aldo also loves it, because that means more people will be watching his fight and he will make more money and can ask for more money going forward.
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I understand your point, but Jones was tested in more ways before his title fight than Connor has been. Jones was never in the slightest trouble in a fight really, but he fought a varied gauntlet of opponents with different skills. Vera was a good striker who fought at HW and showed decent power, Bonnar was an all-around skilled journeyman who could take a punch and give one, Hammil was a top shelf wrestler, Galvao was a strong grappler, Vladdy Mat was one of the most battle tested and tough, albeit old fighter, etc....
He faced more fighters, and more varieties of fighters, before his title fights..
And Aldo is a top 3 P4P fighter who has not lost in years and cleaned out his weight class against every type of fighter. Shogun had never defended his title at LHW and had lost two fights previous (albeit in a shady decision). Its a different circumstance, but I can understand why someone would compare McGregor to Jones because of how easy Connor has made some fights look.
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One could make the comparison of quality (not necessarily same skill set) the competition being relatively in the same ball park. Holloway=Bonnar: well rounded, hard to finish, both went full 3 and both were fully and completely dominated. Poirier=Bader: both had hot streaks going in, were considered top tier competition that was supposed to give a stiff test. Vera=Brandao: both muay thai specialists, bjj black belts and were top touted prospects during their UFC early days. Also, both beat top rated competition. Siver=Matyushenko: Both from the USSR, both very tough journeymen/almost gate keepers an although both lost prior to their respective fights with Jones/Conor, both were never so dominated in the fashion that they were in there fights with Jones/Conor.
One undeniable quality with Jones and CMcG is that we never saw either in trouble/and or tested before their title shots. At the time, people were making ridiculous assumptions about JBJ's potential and still till this day, we have really not seen him pushed to maximum capacity (maybe Gus fight but that is for a different convo). I'm not saying McG will never be tested, as I am sure he will, but I am saying that people are making the same outlandish assumptions about his TDD, his striking defense, fight IQ, etc....one cannot make logical and definitive assumptions on weaknss when said fighter has been completely and utterly dominant.
This is why I am soooooo excited for Conor/Aldo. In many ways it is like Jones/Cormier but we are talking about a strikers delight vs a grapplers delight. Anything is possible in a fight and for sure, for the first time, we will see one of these 2 look mortal: which one? If anyone says they definitely know, they are speaking out of their asshole.
EDIT: Oh, and agree, Aldo is markedly better than Shogun but if you look at the time, especially after the Pride merger, Shogun was considered #2 P4P fighter in the world. Shogun has completely fallen from grace but there was a time that he was not only considered the greatest LHW to ever fight but the scariest striker to possibly ever compete in MMA. Now, revisionists history rules the day, but for sure Shogun was an absolute killer and no one, absolutely no one, ever walked thru him in the fashion JBJ walked thru him and it was considered impossible that anyone would/could dispose of him in the way JBJ disposed of him.
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None of what you said is relevant to the original statement. He's saying Aldo is a different level than Siver and McGregor's other opponents which is true, what McGregor is or isn't as a fighter is not relevant to the context of Edgar's statement. And comparing McGregor/Aldo to Jones/Shogun is just
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I actually find that to be a very reasonable and well-thought out post, props.
I slightly disagree with some minor points, but those are just semantics like Jones had more fights in the UFC before his shot and he was an elite wrestler in junior college, but McGregor had prior fighting experience and has easily dispatched of all challenges so far.
And Shogun had been brought down to Earth some by losing to Forrest, but he was on a roll after beating Machida (twice really), the second by furious KO. Shogun was by no means a can or an easy fight, just that his standing at the time was not Aldo's standing as of right now.
If Aldo loses this fight badly and a few more after, the parallels between Jones and Connor will be undeniable and almost eerie.
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You just said two completely contadictory things.
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People just don't understand do they? It's borderline delusion with people sometimes. How can anyone with a straight face who knows anything about footwork, movement, etc say that Edgar is a better striker than McGregor? Edgar is 5'6 with a 68 reach. McGregor is 5'9 with a 74 inch reach, and what many people don't seem to credit him enough on is he posseses exceptional speed. He covers more ground in less steps than Edgar could ever dream of. There is no debate when it comes to the fact of McGregor being the best striker than Aldo has ever faced. Now this is not to sound like a fanboy of McGregor or anything, because it goes both ways- McGregor has not faced anyone like Aldo either. Its what makes this fight so intriguing to us all. Its fire vs fire.
Mcgregor is going to have to be very careful not to overextend and get caught with something. But, I don't see how Aldo is going to be able to strike with McGregor without getting caught by that straight left down the pipe. Let's be real, Chad Mendes was able to tag Aldo several times, and Aldo has been hit more often in the past few fights. That doesn't bode well for handling a guy who is going to be taller, just as fast, has a longer reach, and has A+ power in that straight left. A lot of people keep saying wrestle McGregor to beat him. The problem with that is that McGregor has elite movement and footwork- that makes it extremely hard to get that takedown sttaight up. He is also the bigger man. Well see how Aldo handles that.
