Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing

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The public needs to be reminded of this regularly

Why MMA fighters always talking about life and death? When the fuck was the last time an MMA fight was life or death?

Hyperbole at its finest.

 

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Ive known a few boxers that would straight merk dudes in street fights, like with the quickness.

Ive seen mma dudes get fucked up in street fights too, so its not as plain as saying mma is better cause it has less rules. Its all about application, and every case is different.

Last time I saw someone attempt a triangle in a street fight dude got picked up, dropped on his head (which knocked him out cold) and proceeded to get mercilessly beaten until we dragged the guy off the unconscious dude.

Dude left in an ambulance and hasn't been back to the bar since. This was last July when this happened.

 

[avenue94]

By this logic do you support fighters taking dives for money too? they even get to avoid damage that way.

Nah, why would I support taking dives? All I expect as a fan is just do your best. I don't need you to be entertaining or amazing, even those are nice, but just try hard.

Also taking a dive is pretty illegal, why would I support that?

 

[ticho123]

Last time I saw someone attempt a triangle in a street fight dude got picked up, dropped on his head (which knocked him out cold) and proceeded to get mercilessly beaten until we dragged the guy off the unconscious dude.

Dude left in an ambulance and hasn't been back to the bar since. This was last July when this happened.

Should've hooked the leg

 

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Should've hooked the leg

Shouldn't go out looking for a fight. Very avoidable situation by both guys.

 

[ticho123]

Shouldn't go out looking for a fight. Very avoidable situation by both guys.

Honestly putting someone in a choke is a lose-lose. Choke them out and risk legit killing them or respect the tap and hope they do to

 

[Street Samurai]

Honestly putting someone in a choke is a lose-lose. Choke them out and risk legit killing them or respect the tap and hope they do to

You have to hold a choke on a limp opponent for a long time to kill someone

 

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You have to hold a choke on a limp opponent for a long time to kill someone

Permanent brain damage will set in much sooner than death.

 

[Street Samurai]

Permanent brain damage will set in much sooner than death.

For sure, but even then i think you have to hold it for damn near a minute after the guy goes limp. Youd have to be a fucking psychopat to do this

 

[YourBoss]

He was 39, whatever, make no difference. I said both were past their prime but made the point they continued to fight after. It's not like they were retired for a few years and then did mma, that is the point. Anyhow, the only point here is that boxers came over to mma, vs amateurs and got spanked.

Context is everything my friend, maybe you should learn that and you won't come off as a clown just throwing age around. Sylvia may have been 33 but was coming of two serious injuries, a year of inactivity and came in a 310 lbs for that fight. If you think that is the same Tim Sylvia that fought the opponents you mentioned in the two years prior then you need get your head examined buddy. Sylvia continued to win vs low level competition.

Ray Mercer was 48!!!!! when he koed a guy that was literally the UFC HW champion 2 years prior. Sylvia weighed 30-40 lbs more than usually, big deal, Mercer was also fat and out of shape. IF you compare the two its clear that Mercer was far more removed from his physical prime. DO you think any MMA fighter in history could go to boxing and at age 48 and beat the shit out of any boxer that was a champ and 11 months out?

 

[YourBoss]

boxing is a joke. slugs like Ksi and Jake Paul would never thrive in mma or any legit sport
like they did in boxing

is this supposed to be a joke? MMA is literally full of guys that are semiathletic and pick the sport up at the age of the paul brothers. if they dedicated their life to mma from now on forward they could be in the ufc.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

UFC champ = best fighter and Boxing champ = best puncher.

 

[Ideanudge]

Boxing is more of a refined sport, MMA has a lot of variables and you don’t even need grappling to really make it to the top... it would depend on if the MMA athlete could wrestle to be honest

Which makes MMA really profound and encompassing the spirit of fighting.

 

[HHJ]

UFC champ = best fighter and Boxing champ = best puncher.

Im ok with this distinction as long as we still count boxing as fighting.

 

[Khaiser]

MMA fans really do have a weird ‘we would win in a street fight’ complex. It’s kinda sad to see.

Overall, MMA does equip you marginally better for a street fight, but it’s nowhere close to the fantasy situation most MMA fans seem to have, where an elite boxer crumbles at the first leg kick.

Real fights are unpredictable. Everything you see in MMA is focused on the premise of 1vs1 combat and a lot of the grappling immediately becomes significantly less threatening when that rule is removed. Boxing doesn’t - indeed it’s probably the single best form of combat for dealing with multiple opponents. Hit hard, hit first and move on. The gruelling nature of the sparring (moreso than MMA or any combat sport I’ve trained in my experience), is also a nice basis for dealing with confrontation and staying calm under fire. It was only a few years ago that the ‘baddest man in the planet’ in Lesnar was literally shitting his pants at the very thought of punches being thrown his way.

There’s also the unpredictable nature of ‘real’ fighting. What people really mean when they talk about a street fight is basically an MMA contest in the streets, which is entirely unrealistic. You don’t start 20 feet apart from one another, you don’t have a good understanding of your opponents strengths and weaknesses etc. It’s a largely unpredictable event that, in my experience at least, starts with people almost face to face with one another, and with punches being thrown. You don’t want to engage in that with any decent level boxer.

 

[BJJ Coffee Drinker]

Honestly I feel Askren didn't know what he was getting himself into. He did that wrestling thing with an elite wrestler that no one watched and lost so he might have viewed it like that. I don't think he knew this was going to be a cultural thing(which tbf would confuse someone in their 30s) until it was too late.

his first social media post after getting KO'D was " Sorry world "
I think he knew exactly what he was getting into

 

[Khaiser]

Ray Mercer was 48!!!!! when he koed a guy that was literally the UFC HW champion 2 years prior. Sylvia weighed 30-40 lbs more than usually, big deal, Mercer was also fat and out of shape. IF you compare the two its clear that Mercer was far more removed from his physical prime. DO you think any MMA fighter in history could go to boxing and at age 48 and beat the shit out of any boxer that was a champ and 11 months out?

I never understand how someone can look at at his situation and not acknowledge that Mercer won despite having the deck absolutely stacked against him.

I mean, not only was he competing in the other guys ruleset (which alone should pretty much guarantee a loss), but he was fighting in the Olympics a whole 13 years before Sylvia even made his MMA debut.

Dana has done a great job of burying that fight though. Casual fans genuinely think the only MMA vs boxer contest to exist is Toney vs Couture and Floyd vs Conor.

 

[Joe Joyce]

MMA fans really do have a weird ‘we would win in a street fight’ complex. It’s kinda sad to see.

Overall, MMA does equip you marginally better for a street fight, but it’s nowhere close to the fantasy situation most MMA fans seem to have, where an elite boxer crumbles at the first leg kick.

Real fights are unpredictable. Everything you see in MMA is focused on the premise of 1vs1 combat and a lot of the grappling immediately becomes significantly less threatening when that rule is removed. Boxing doesn’t - indeed it’s probably the single best form of combat for dealing with multiple opponents.

There’s also the unpredictable nature of ‘real’ fighting. What people really mean when they talk about a street fight is basically an MMA contest in the streets, which is entirely unrealistic. You don’t start 20 feet apart from one another, you don’t have a good understanding of your opponents strengths and weaknesses etc. It’s a largely unpredictable event that, in my experience at least, starts with people almost face to face with one another, and with punches being thrown. You don’t want to engage in that with any decent level boxer.

Yep, most people don't exactly go around shouting about their combat backgrounds to strangers, so the chances of knowing you are fighting a trained boxer, kickboxer, judoka etc are slim. There are no guarantees in 'real' fights no matter who you are and so many variables that I find it silly that many MMA only fans think it's so cut and dried.

 

[Naoya#1]

Most fights look like bareknuckle and bareknuckle as a sport is the closest thing to a real world scenario. No gloves, shoes etc.

I wanna see Eddie in BKFC. Dude would shit in his pants, lol.

 

[moosaev]

The MMA community is filled with weirdos like you who watch MMA enough to have 5K+ posts on an MMA forum, but talk shit about MMA as if it sucks and you don't watch it lol

Who said I was talking shit about MMA? Lol. Thanks for proving my point, insecure.

I actually like both sports, but the boxing crowd isn’t obsessed with comparing against MMA, they’re content to live in their own world. MMA fan boys & fighters are the only ones who get into this absolutely childish comparison of who would win in a real fight. I used to argue with my brother about Skeletor vs. He-Man, your (and Eddie Alvarez’s) post is that level of maturity.

MMA fighters talking shit on boxing I can understand on some level, they’re jealous. The boxing equivalent of Eddie Alvarez makes more in one fight than Eddies made his entire career. He’s butt hurt. But I don’t get why fanboys like you have to play this game. If you don’t like boxing don’t watch.