Earth is safe from 'global warming'

[UpaLoompa]

Astronauts in the field of climate study have been experts since....?

This is actually part of the playbook by industrial lobbyists dating back to the middle of the last century. "Rocket Scientist" carries a lot of cache even in areas utterly unrelated like a link between smoking and cancer, asbestos, acid rain, pesticide use, evolution, and climate change. The fact that these people have no legitimate expertise is irrelevant, they're rocket scientists.

I highly recommend reading Merchants of Doubt (link), industrial lobbyists have a very well worked strategy and everything from emphasizing uncertainty--which is always present in science, to funding legitimate but motivated studies of complementary causes peddled as alternatives (e.g. Lindzen's work), to attacking individuals (e.g. "Climategate" or the personal attacks on Tyrone Hayes by pesticide companies) etc. is all well documented. None of the strategies employed are surprising but they're all effective.

 

[IDL]

The democrats/liberals want climate control to be proved correct. They will deny any truthers. Why? Because if they can use global warming then they can push for more laws, more power and more control. You have to remember democrats/liberals suffer from a mental disorder where they have to control people. Where they think they can make a utopia for all the mindless zombies. Keep calm and trust liberals they say. They must control people and tell them how to live their lives. These are mental cases and need to be locked up in a psych ward and put in a straight jacket NOT in out congress making new laws.

It's bigger than just 'Democrats' although that may be the party in the US that is used to push it moreso.

It's a global thing. I think it's the UN and globalists who are pushing for it. They want power to be concentrated globally, not within specific countries.

 

[UpaLoompa]

It's bigger than just 'Democrats' although that may be the party in the US that is used to push it moreso.

It's a global thing. I think it's the UN and globalists who are pushing for it. They want power to be concentrated globally, not within specific countries.

Bullshit. The science is pretty damn overwhelming.

It is kind of sad. You rail against corporate overlords but support policies that disproportionately benefit the wealthy (as often pointed out JVS). Here you eschew scientific evidence using the arguments that corporate lobbyists use to discredit the research that threatens their profits.

You're effectively a parody account.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Just wondering.

Dose anyone have any self-evident proof that man made climate change is objectively real? That's the biggest problem for people who believe in man made climate change, it has little to no self-evident proof. Some hockey-stick graph or chart really doesn't constitute "self-evident". Furthermore, how could one prove that any particular change in climate is man made (remember, correlation dose not mean causation)?

It seems the only people who ever say things like "the science is settled" are people who heavily support various governments or government entities, or they are heavily funded by said governments/government entities. 700 years ago, the "science was settled" that the sun revolved around the Earth (a model that the Catholic church endorsed for centuries). Whenever someone tells you "the science is settled", you know that person has a particular agenda.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Orange belt!


YAY
:redface:

 

[IDL]

Bullshit. The science is pretty damn overwhelming.

It is kind of sad. You rail against corporate overlords but support policies that disproportionately benefit the wealthy (as often pointed out JVS). Here you eschew scientific evidence using the arguments that corporate lobbyists use to discredit the research that threatens their profits.

You're effectively a parody account.

I'm looking at the problem very differently than you are, that's all.

Most people just think it's a corporate thing that is the problem. I think the problem lies much higher than that, so focusing on corporations can be a distraction. They are just cogs in the globalist machine.

 

[UpaLoompa]

I'm looking at the problem very differently than you are, that's all.

Most people just think it's a corporate thing that is the problem. I think the problem lies much higher than that.

You're right, you're looking at it in a convoluted and internally inconsistent manner.

 

[IDL]

You're right, you're looking at it in a convoluted and internally inconsistent manner.

It's not internally inconsistent at all when you consider the desire to consolidate power globally.

It's a matter of prioritizing objectives. The primary objectives supersede secondary objectives.

 

[flanellograf]

It's not internally inconsistent at all when you consider the desire to consolidate power globally.

It's a matter of prioritizing objectives. The primary objectives supersede secondary objectives.

So, how much are the oil companies paying you? I hope you are not just wasting your time for free.

 

[Jukai]

So, how much are the oil companies paying you? I hope you are not just wasting your time for free.

He's no shill, he's simply been brainwashed by the alternative media to believe that every government issue that can ever be pushed is evil.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Bullshit. The science is pretty damn overwhelming.

Then perhaps you could answer my question a few posts back. Where is the self-evident proof of man made climate change? And how do you objectively prove that man is the cause to any particular change in climate? Remember, correlation =/= causation.

It is kind of sad. You rail against corporate overlords but support policies that disproportionately benefit the wealthy (as often pointed out JVS).

it's irrelevant who would benefit or what anyone of this forum has to say about it. Is the argument true, or false? That's all that matters.

Here you eschew scientific evidence using the arguments that corporate lobbyists use to discredit the research that threatens their profits.

It's irrelevant who would make this argument or that argument. What matters, is the argument true, that's all. Attacking someone for making an argument because someone else would make the same argument isn't a refutation of any statement at all.

You're effectively a parody account.

To be frank, this was uncalled for from someone as educated as you. You're obviously smart enough to know better. Learn to respect those who think differently from you. Your life will be happier and brighter for it.

 

[IDL]

So, how much are the oil companies paying you? I hope you are not just wasting your time for free.

Believe me I am no fan of Big oil.

I just set my sights on a bigger problem. Doesn't mean Big oil isn't a problem.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

every government issue that can ever be pushed is evil.

To be fair, government is an immoral institution.

 

[IDL]

He's no shill, he's simply been brainwashed by the alternative media to believe that every government issue that can ever be pushed is evil.

A more accurate way of putting it would be that I think most of what government pushes is to benefit government. Especially at the higher levels.

The idea that they are a motherly entity looking out for peoples best interests just isn't the case.

 

[Jukai]

To be fair, government is an immoral institution.

Somalia is calling for you, man.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

A more accurate way of putting it would be that I think most of what government pushes is to benefit government. Especially at the higher levels.

The idea that they are a motherly entity looking out for peoples best interests just isn't the case.

Right, and government actions can't be influenced by people. It's this monstrosity that exists in abstract space and only wants power for itself.

Isolationism is the IDL answer. Everything is a power grab so sit and do nothing and hope power goes away.

So the US is the biggest polluter in the world and the biggest contributor to global warming which is already killing millions of people, but taking any steps to stop this is a power grab by government. Solution: do nothing.

 

[Jukai]

Right, and government actions can't be influenced by people. It's this monstrosity that exists in abstract space and only wants power for itself.

Isolationism is the IDL answer. Everything is a power grab so sit and do nothing and hope power goes away.

So the US is the biggest polluter in the world and the biggest contributor to global warming which is already killing millions of people, but taking any steps to stop this is a power grab by government. Solution: do nothing.

He even ADMITS that global warming is likely happening. But we can't DO anything about it, because doing anything would be playing EXACTLY INTO THE GOVERNMENT'S HANDS!!!!

They have our balls in a vice, people. Lesser of two evils says we should just let the earth be destroyed.

 

[IDL]

Right, and government actions can't be influenced by people. It's this monstrosity that exists in abstract space and only wants power for itself.

Isolationism is the IDL answer. Everything is a power grab so sit and do nothing and hope power goes away.

So the US is the biggest polluter in the world and the biggest contributor to global warming which is already killing millions of people, but taking any steps to stop this is a power grab by government. Solution: do nothing.

Public opinion does impact government entities that's why they use propaganda to steer people in various directions. Problem, reaction, solution.

The solution (primary objective), ultimately is central governing. they just need people to gravitate towards that.

All I care about is the truth, in whatever form it takes.

Your isolationism and do nothing comments don't relate.

 

[Jack V Savage]

A more accurate way of putting it would be that I think most of what government pushes is to benefit government. Especially at the higher levels.

The idea that they are a motherly entity looking out for peoples best interests just isn't the case.

No one in the world has that idea, though. That's just a right-wing fantasy.

The reality is that the gov't is a tool that we use to accomplish some things (um, like preventing environmental catastrophe) that require collective action.

 

[IDL]

He even ADMITS that global warming is likely happening. But we can't DO anything about it, because doing anything would be playing EXACTLY INTO THE GOVERNMENT'S HANDS!!!!

They have our balls in a vice, people. Lesser of two evils says we should just let the earth be destroyed.

If it is indeed happening I don't think it's man made.

If it isn't man made why should we jump into the arms of central governance? That is no answer. We'd be better off putting our efforts into more worthy causes.