Dynamic Effort...when?

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I'm obviously new to powerlifting, but after years wasted on body building nonsense I'm trying to learn everything I can. I'm just getting back into lifting after about a year layoff and my 5 rep maxes are 225 bench, 295 deadlift, and about a 235 squat. Should I even bother trying to include dynamic effort lifts at this stage? As it stand now my routine is Max Effort upper body, Max Effort lower body, then a repitition upper body with days of core work and active rest in between. If I shouldn't mess with DE now, when would you guys reccomend to start, or when did you start? Any help appreciated.
 
for now keep training heavy and don't even worry about DE days yet. Once you notice your gains leveling off then you might want to consider it.
 
RJ43 said:
I'm obviously new to powerlifting, but after years wasted on body building nonsense I'm trying to learn everything I can. I'm just getting back into lifting after about a year layoff and my 5 rep maxes are 225 bench, 295 deadlift, and about a 235 squat. Should I even bother trying to include dynamic effort lifts at this stage? As it stand now my routine is Max Effort upper body, Max Effort lower body, then a repitition upper body with days of core work and active rest in between. If I shouldn't mess with DE now, when would you guys reccomend to start, or when did you start? Any help appreciated.

It depends, how much do you weigh?

With that squat, I find it unlikely that you're prepared for dynamic lifts or plyometrics. The fact is your potential for power will be more efficiently increased at this point through your max strength training. The cookie-cutter recommendation is to not begin plyo's until you are able to squat 1.5x your bodyweight or do a full pistol.
 
I'm 6'1 and weigh 185. Yeah I can't do a single pistol, even when I did lift I rarely did legs and now I'm paying for it, but I'll improve. Thanks for the help guys
 
RJ43 said:
my 5 rep maxes are 225 bench, 295 deadlift, and about a 235 squat.

As it stand now my routine is Max Effort upper body, Max Effort lower body, then a repitition upper body with days of core work and active rest in between. now,



Don't bother with DE stuff yet, concentrate on getting your dead and squat up to par with your bench.


Post your exact routine - what lifts and sets and reps so we can help you more. What is your diet like. What are you exact goals?
 
I have to agree with everyone posting so far. If I remember correctly James Smith, and I am sure others I have read have said this, usually you don't start until:

Deadlift: At least 2x body weight
Squat: At least 2x body weight
Bench: At least 1.5x body weight

And I think these were the bare minimums. So people I have read say even higher then those guidelines. Basically, you don't have to worry about it yet.
 
damn by that i'll have to deadlift about and squat bout 400lb. i'm no where near at the moment.
 
On the other hand, Dan181, who is pound for pound very strong, advised to do the advanced stuff almost right from the beginning.
 
graedy said:
On the other hand, Dan181, who is pound for pound very strong, advised to do the advanced stuff almost right from the beginning.

Fair enough since, pound for pound nothing, the guy was strong. I guess it might cme down to: if your lifts are moving up well, then why bother? But then again, that could be used to justify a lot of training types, good or bad.
 
RJ43 said:
I'm obviously new to powerlifting, but after years wasted on body building nonsense I'm trying to learn everything I can. I'm just getting back into lifting after about a year layoff and my 5 rep maxes are 225 bench, 295 deadlift, and about a 235 squat. Should I even bother trying to include dynamic effort lifts at this stage? As it stand now my routine is Max Effort upper body, Max Effort lower body, then a repitition upper body with days of core work and active rest in between. If I shouldn't mess with DE now, when would you guys reccomend to start, or when did you start? Any help appreciated.

http://www.elitefts.com/articles/Current-Articles/default.asp

Maybe you already know the site considering it looks like you are using a Westside template for your lifting, if not there is more lifting knoweldge available than you could ever ask for. Not to mention, they also have a forum that you could ask the very same question and get a response from one of the members of the crew. Not saying that the guys on here don't know what they are saying, not saying that at all. Just in my opinion if you want to learn how to box as well as you can, you go to a boxing trainer, if you want to learn about lifting you seek help from the guys "walk the walk". BTW, they are fighter friendly and have several guys ask specific questions regarding fight training. Good luck.
 
Well, I think it would benefit you to do Box Squats at the very least. To get you good at the "starting strength" people are so crazy about these days. You could follow Bill STarr's 5x5 until you have a 275 bench, 365 Deadlift and a 205ish Powerclean. Being able to Wide-Grip Chin your bodyweight is also a good indication of strength if you ask me.

OR, a good thing I tried is the Metal Militia program for Bench Press (which trains the Bench in two phases: Full Bench and Lockout Strength). I'm currently training 3 of my lifts (Wide-Grip Chins w/ added plates, Bench, Deadlift) 3x a week (quite a bit shy of failure--even on max days) and it's certainly helping those lifts sky rocket. Though, it is pretty impossible to concentrate on your Deadlift and Squat at the same time, so you'll have to split them up or trade weeks.
 
Those are actually high numbers but I'll have to say bench can be lowered to 1.25xBW. I agree that one must build a decent strength base first i order to maximize the benefits of dynamic training.

Sean S said:
I have to agree with everyone posting so far. If I remember correctly James Smith, and I am sure others I have read have said this, usually you don't start until:

Deadlift: At least 2x body weight
Squat: At least 2x body weight
Bench: At least 1.5x body weight

And I think these were the bare minimums. So people I have read say even higher then those guidelines. Basically, you don't have to worry about it yet.
 
Sean S said:
I have to agree with everyone posting so far. If I remember correctly James Smith, and I am sure others I have read have said this, usually you don't start until:

Deadlift: At least 2x body weight
Squat: At least 2x body weight
Bench: At least 1.5x body weight

And I think these were the bare minimums. So people I have read say even higher then those guidelines. Basically, you don't have to worry about it yet.

Yeah, that's not the first time I've seen them that high, but Chu wrote the 1.5x for the squat.

I wish James were here to elaborate.
 
Madmick said:
Yeah, that's not the first time I've seen them that high, but Chu wrote the 1.5x for the squat.

I wish James were here to elaborate.

I could have his numbers high, but the idea is that you shouldn't even bother until you have had a decent amount of time under the bar.
 
DE is a way to get more time under the bar without burning yourself out.
 
aronafan said:
http://www.elitefts.com/articles/Current-Articles/default.asp

Maybe you already know the site considering it looks like you are using a Westside template for your lifting, if not there is more lifting knoweldge available than you could ever ask for. Not to mention, they also have a forum that you could ask the very same question and get a response from one of the members of the crew. Not saying that the guys on here don't know what they are saying, not saying that at all. Just in my opinion if you want to learn how to box as well as you can, you go to a boxing trainer, if you want to learn about lifting you seek help from the guys "walk the walk". BTW, they are fighter friendly and have several guys ask specific questions regarding fight training. Good luck.

Yeah I go to elite lifts alot. It's just hard for me as a beginner to incorporate so many articles into a successful routine, but I'm taking bits and pieces and putting a routine together. I haven't posted anything there yet though...
 
nudge119 said:
Don't bother with DE stuff yet, concentrate on getting your dead and squat up to par with your bench.


Post your exact routine - what lifts and sets and reps so we can help you more. What is your diet like. What are you exact goals?


I have just recently changed my routine to the 5x5 method for the big 3 lifts. It looks something like this:

I do the big 3 lifts 2-3 weeks in a row, then I switch to the left to the right of it after teh slash. 3 weeks of Deads, then 3 weeks of GMs instead.

Monday
Deadlifts/GM/Romanian Dead (5x5)
Bent Over Barbell Rows/Chest Supported Rows/Tbar rows (3-4 sets 6-10 reps)
Wide grip chins (I can only do about 4 sets of 5)
BB Shrug/DB Shrug/Any shrug at a diff angle (3 sets 6-10 reps)
Occasionally an additional upper back pull if I have the strength after

Tuesday
Core is a huge weakness of mine so I could use some advice here
Hanging Leg Raises 3 x 6
Dumbbell Crunches on Physioball 3 x 8
Vacuums 3 x 10 second holds

Wednesday
Flat Barbell bench/BoardPress/FloorPress/Close Grip bench (5x5)
Incline DB press (3 sets 8-10)
Skull Crushers/Tate Press/Pushdowns/JM Press (haven't done this one yet) (3 sets 6-10)
Push Presses/Overhead DB presses (3 sets 6-10)

Thursday
Core
Side Bends 3 x 6 each
Rotation Medicine Ball Throws 2 x 8 each
Medicine Ball twists? 3x10 each

Friday
Back Squat/Front Squat/Box Squat (5x5)
Walking Lunges/Barbell Lunges/Bench Step ups (3x6-10)
Leg Curls/ Straight Legged Deads/Pull Throughs (3x 8-10)

SAT
OFF

Sun
Grip also another huge weakness I struggle holding the CoC Trainer shut with my left hand

I do a few sets of like 3 with the CoC trainer, then I'll close it and hold it shut for as long as I can.

We don't have flat plates at my school's gym so it's very hard to do plate pinches so I take a dumbell and hold it the top of the one side with my fingers for as long as i can.

My diet looks like this (after about 2 months of eating pure garbage)

Protein Shake
7-8 Eggwhites scrambled
2 slices wheat toast
Can of Tuna
Turkey Breast sandwich on wheat
Natural peanut butter sandwich on wheat
Apple
2 Large Chicken breasts/Hamburgers on wheat buns/whole wheat pasta
bowl of soup, usually some form of chicken soup

My goals are simply to increase strength and now be plateued for too long. I'd like to be able to flat bench 275 for my set of 5, Squat about 300+ and DL 350+ by April, I'm not sure if these goals are too out of site or too low but I'm gonna try. I'd like to lose a little fat around the midsection, but the core strength is more important to me at this point. It looks like I should hold off on the DE effort for about a year or so maybe. As usual, any help appreciated.
 

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