Duterte Harry, Part 1: The rise of Duterte & the shifting sociopolitical climate in the Philippines.
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Filipinos traditionaly wore Sarong and loincloths until western technology came to the country.
So I think this so called Patriotic Monkeys should go back to their Loin Cloths and Banana diet if they think western influence is so bad.
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1. They have a dispute and are doing what civilized nations do: take it up with the World Court. I don't have to tell you that in this scenario the US would have gone straight for violence and military intervention since following international law isn't their thing.
2. WTF? Backing an outrageously corrupt human rights abuser is in no way "protecting" anything. This sounds like the exact words of the worst neocons. Kissinger or Rumsfeld could be saying this shit. And yes, the Soviet Union was objectively worse WITHIN ITS BORDERS, but their sphere of influence was very small and they were never powerful enough to inflict much violence. On the other hand, here is a short, incomplete list of what the US has done outside its borders, just keeping to the post WWII period:
http://www.infoplease.com/timelines/militaryoperations.html
If you wanna talk objectivity, the US's crimes are exponentially worse.
3. They're a city-state that exists as the business center of a region. They're British/Western in character and structure.
4. Read for yourself- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan#Japanese_rule
5. Yup. And it was PARTLY because of the infrastructure that the Japanese left that they were able to dig out of that whole. That article I posted earlier states this.
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1.- There is absolutely no dispute, China doesnt belong in that sea. Also whats good an international court without strength to back it up? Chinese have been found illegally fishing in everyones seas. The Argentinians just sunk one of their illegal fishing ships. This is paramount to the Soviets nearly driving whales to extic
1.- LOL at dispute, they are literally squatting and using their navy to deny their resources to the smaller weaker nations.
2.- Again, im not justifying anything. But you are dellusional if you think the Soviets wouldnt had tried to fuck up the philippines, also you are dellusional in thinking that a democratic philippines at that point of history would had fared any better, Philippines have been democratic for 30 years now and their leaders are still corrupt and stealing.
3.- They werent rich when the British left, they did so on their own. Unless you are implying that western culture is superior then i agree.
4.- Im reading about rebellions and massacres along with industrialization, so the standard imperialism.
And no Taiwan became what it is under the Chinese exile government, they were the ones that took Taiwan to becoming a rich nation. And now China is threatening their freedom.
5.- So what about all the infrastructure that the US left in Philippines? doesnt counts?
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Apparently it has come to light that the exiting president took it upon himself to sell that territory that the Chinese are building their island on to them. That seems to be why they are building in that territory.
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Rise of Philippines’ Duterte stirs uncertainty in the South China Sea
BEIJING — Rodrigo “the Punisher” Duterte looks poised to be the Philippines’ next president, news that could have a major impact on the standoff in the South China Sea.
One of the biggest unknowns is his China policy. “Foreign relations has been a major gap in Duterte’s published platform to date, and he and his team have yet to publicly define their approach to the South China Sea,” said Jay L. Batongbacal, director of the University of the Philippines’ Institute for Maritime Affairs and Law of the Sea.
China claims nearly all of the South China Sea as its “inherent” territory, based on maps that scoop into exclusive maritime economic zones claimed by the Philippines and others. In recent years, Beijing has built up islands across the area, adding civilian and military infrastructure to the outposts.
President Benigno Aquino III took a hard line with Beijing — once comparing China to Nazi Germany — and found himself frozen out.
With Chinese ships pressing farther south, Aquino moved to ramp up military cooperation with the United States. A defense pact upheld this year allows the U.S. military to build facilities at five Philippine bases, and more ships already are stopping by the former U.S. naval base at Subic Bay.
The deal, signed in the run-up to a ruling on the South China Sea by an international tribunal, will put more U.S. ships and troops in close proximity with Chinese forces, deepening the standoff. On Tuesday morning, the day after the election, a U.S. warship sailed close to the Chinese-occupied Fiery Cross Reef, Reuters reported.
It is unclear how Duterte plans to navigate the issue.
In February, he shocked many by suggesting he might be willing to soften the Philippines’ stance significantly — if Beijing is willing to pay.
The arrangement Duterte proposed would see the Chinese build railroads in his home region in return for his temporary silence on the South China Sea. “Build us a railway just like the one you built in Africa, and let’s set aside disagreements for a while,” he said.
Duterte later expressed skepticism about the Philippines’ case at the tribunal, questioning the worth of a ruling that China has said it won’t accept. “I have a similar position as China’s. I don’t believe in solving the conflict through an international tribunal,” he said.
He also expressed support for bilateral talks with Beijing and suggested the possibility of joint exploration of the area’s natural resources. “If negotiations will be in still waters in one or two years, I will talk to the Chinese,” he said.
Beijing has been calling for bilateral talks with its South China Sea neighbors, one by one. Critics in the Philippines and elsewhere argue that such an approach would give Beijing an unfair advantage over the smaller countries.
And then there was the Jet Ski pledge. “I will go there on my own with a Jet Ski, bringing along with me a flag and a pole, and once I disembark, I will plant the flag on the runway and tell the Chinese authorities, ‘Kill me,’ ” he said.
Of course, China would prefer less talk of heroism and heated nationalism. Though Beijing has been characteristically quiet on how it plans to engage Duterte, it is no doubt pleased by his apparent willingness to strike a deal.
On Tuesday, the English-language edition of Global Times, an organ of the ruling Communist Party of China, accused Manila and the media of “hyping” the political dimensions of the conflict at the expense of economic concerns.
An editorial in the same paper struck a similar tone, noting that the Philippine public “cares most about livelihoods, and nationalistic slogans cannot feed them.”
The piece blasted Aquino but expressed optimism about Duterte’s ability to change Manila’s “unscrupulous policy toward China.”
“If there is anything that can be changed by Duterte, it will be diplomacy,” it stated.
His challenge will be engaging China without alienating the United States.
If Duterte pushes ahead with joint development agreements or bilateral talks, he will need to tread carefully, said Richard Javad Heydarian, an assistant professor of political science at Manila’s De La Salle University.
“Given strong domestic anti-China sentiment and institutionalized security ties with America,” he said, “Duterte will have to keep Washington — a key strategic partner — on [his] side.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5102e2-1621-11e6-971a-dadf9ab18869_story.html
BEIJING — Rodrigo “the Punisher” Duterte looks poised to be the Philippines’ next president, news that could have a major impact on the standoff in the South China Sea.
One of the biggest unknowns is his China policy. “Foreign relations has been a major gap in Duterte’s published platform to date, and he and his team have yet to publicly define their approach to the South China Sea,” said Jay L. Batongbacal, director of the University of the Philippines’ Institute for Maritime Affairs and Law of the Sea.
China claims nearly all of the South China Sea as its “inherent” territory, based on maps that scoop into exclusive maritime economic zones claimed by the Philippines and others. In recent years, Beijing has built up islands across the area, adding civilian and military infrastructure to the outposts.
President Benigno Aquino III took a hard line with Beijing — once comparing China to Nazi Germany — and found himself frozen out.
With Chinese ships pressing farther south, Aquino moved to ramp up military cooperation with the United States. A defense pact upheld this year allows the U.S. military to build facilities at five Philippine bases, and more ships already are stopping by the former U.S. naval base at Subic Bay.
The deal, signed in the run-up to a ruling on the South China Sea by an international tribunal, will put more U.S. ships and troops in close proximity with Chinese forces, deepening the standoff. On Tuesday morning, the day after the election, a U.S. warship sailed close to the Chinese-occupied Fiery Cross Reef, Reuters reported.
It is unclear how Duterte plans to navigate the issue.
In February, he shocked many by suggesting he might be willing to soften the Philippines’ stance significantly — if Beijing is willing to pay.
The arrangement Duterte proposed would see the Chinese build railroads in his home region in return for his temporary silence on the South China Sea. “Build us a railway just like the one you built in Africa, and let’s set aside disagreements for a while,” he said.
Duterte later expressed skepticism about the Philippines’ case at the tribunal, questioning the worth of a ruling that China has said it won’t accept. “I have a similar position as China’s. I don’t believe in solving the conflict through an international tribunal,” he said.
He also expressed support for bilateral talks with Beijing and suggested the possibility of joint exploration of the area’s natural resources. “If negotiations will be in still waters in one or two years, I will talk to the Chinese,” he said.
Beijing has been calling for bilateral talks with its South China Sea neighbors, one by one. Critics in the Philippines and elsewhere argue that such an approach would give Beijing an unfair advantage over the smaller countries.
And then there was the Jet Ski pledge. “I will go there on my own with a Jet Ski, bringing along with me a flag and a pole, and once I disembark, I will plant the flag on the runway and tell the Chinese authorities, ‘Kill me,’ ” he said.
Of course, China would prefer less talk of heroism and heated nationalism. Though Beijing has been characteristically quiet on how it plans to engage Duterte, it is no doubt pleased by his apparent willingness to strike a deal.
On Tuesday, the English-language edition of Global Times, an organ of the ruling Communist Party of China, accused Manila and the media of “hyping” the political dimensions of the conflict at the expense of economic concerns.
An editorial in the same paper struck a similar tone, noting that the Philippine public “cares most about livelihoods, and nationalistic slogans cannot feed them.”
The piece blasted Aquino but expressed optimism about Duterte’s ability to change Manila’s “unscrupulous policy toward China.”
“If there is anything that can be changed by Duterte, it will be diplomacy,” it stated.
His challenge will be engaging China without alienating the United States.
If Duterte pushes ahead with joint development agreements or bilateral talks, he will need to tread carefully, said Richard Javad Heydarian, an assistant professor of political science at Manila’s De La Salle University.
“Given strong domestic anti-China sentiment and institutionalized security ties with America,” he said, “Duterte will have to keep Washington — a key strategic partner — on [his] side.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5102e2-1621-11e6-971a-dadf9ab18869_story.html
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Rodrigo Duterte Plans to Reinstate Death Penalty, Offer Cabinet Posts to Communist Rebels
May 16, 2016
May 16, 2016
MANILA — In his first policy pronouncements since becoming the presumptive president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte said Monday that he plans to reimpose the death penalty, offer cabinet posts to communist rebels and move to amend the Constitution to give more power to the provinces.
Mr. Duterte also said during a nationally televised news conference that he will begin a military offensive to destroy Abu Sayyaf extremists on southern Jolo Island.
The announcements, a sharp departure from current policy, reflect his brash campaign pledge to end crime and corruption in the impoverished country in three to six months. Police officials have said the plan is not realistic, and they have noted that crime remains prevalent in Davao City, where Mr. Duterte has served as mayor for more than 22 years.
The military has been fighting a decades-long Marxist insurgency in the countryside, but Mr. Duterte said he would likely offer the cabinet posts of environment and natural resources, agrarian reform, social welfare and labor to the communist rebels.
“They are the most vigilant group in the Philippines about labor so they would get it,” he said.
The move would likely be strongly opposed by big business and industry.
Mr. Duterte said he would ask Congress to reimpose the death penalty, which has been suspended since 2006 in the face of staunch opposition from the dominant Roman Catholic Church. Capital punishment by hanging, he said, should be imposed for heinous crimes, and criminals convicted of killing, robbery and rape should receive “double the hanging.”
“After the first hanging, there will be another ceremony for the second time until the head is completely severed from the body,” he said.
Chito Gascon, the chairman of the Human Rights Commission of the Philippines, said his agency opposes the death penalty and would block any attempt to reimpose it, adding that the Constitution forbids cruel and degrading punishments like hanging.
“In a country where the rule of law has so many loopholes and problems, what will happen is the possibility of a mistaken conviction,” Mr. Gascon said by telephone.
Mr. Duterte also plans to switch to a federal form of government, aiming to give more power and resources to the regions, including the country’s south, where Davao City is. Such a change would require an amendment to the Constitution.
Mr. Duterte reiterated on Monday his vow to control illegal drugs and crime, even if it meant losing the presidency or his life. “Stop messing with me, because I have a sacred promise to save the next generation from the evil of drugs,” he said.
He also promised to cut government red tape and remove corrupt officials. Mr. Duterte said “contaminated” police generals facing corruption cases should “get out now” before he assumes office in June. If not, they should prepare to be sent to fight against the Abu Sayyaf militants.
“And if you are taken hostage there, say your Our Fathers because I will never, never pay anything to retrieve you,” he added.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-death-penalty.html?referer=
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As a pro death penalty advocate as a form of righteous justice I can understand why they did this. Still though I dislike communism.
Well maybe he is innocent. #westernconspiracy
Well maybe he is innocent. #westernconspiracy
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This is really looking bad especially giving government posts to communists. I can't believe this is what the people wanted its just really depressing.
Department of Social welfare,Agriculture and Environment.
This is how the Philippines will become a Communist hell hole. They communists will use their new positions of power to further indoctrinate the masses about the lies of communism.
Oh the department of agriculture, will be run by the communists no shit... it has been known that poor farmers have been symphatetic to communists time and time again.
Jesus fucking christ he is litterally giving the country to the enemies of the state.
Department of Social welfare,Agriculture and Environment.
This is how the Philippines will become a Communist hell hole. They communists will use their new positions of power to further indoctrinate the masses about the lies of communism.
Oh the department of agriculture, will be run by the communists no shit... it has been known that poor farmers have been symphatetic to communists time and time again.
Jesus fucking christ he is litterally giving the country to the enemies of the state.
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If I remember correctly, these Communist rebels (and future leaders of the Philippines) actually sided with their Chinese benefactors when Beijing first said "EEZ be dammed, everything in the South China Sea belong to us" back in the 70's.
Despite claiming to be patriotic Filipino, these communists didn't even recognize the islands that was held by the Philippine government at the time. In that international dispute, they clearly chose Beijing's territorial claim over everybody else (including their own homeland) and got a very nice cache of weapon sent from Beijing with love so they can continue their rebellion.
(When the Chinese invaded the Spratlys and took them from South Vietnam in 1974, the communist North Vietnamese did the same thing in exchanged for military support from Beijing.)
So now not only the Chinese government think all those islands in the South China Sea "historically belongs to China", but a sizable portion of the new People's Republic of the Philippines are in no rush to dispute that either., if there's enough cash involved.
Despite claiming to be patriotic Filipino, these communists didn't even recognize the islands that was held by the Philippine government at the time. In that international dispute, they clearly chose Beijing's territorial claim over everybody else (including their own homeland) and got a very nice cache of weapon sent from Beijing with love so they can continue their rebellion.
(When the Chinese invaded the Spratlys and took them from South Vietnam in 1974, the communist North Vietnamese did the same thing in exchanged for military support from Beijing.)
So now not only the Chinese government think all those islands in the South China Sea "historically belongs to China", but a sizable portion of the new People's Republic of the Philippines are in no rush to dispute that either., if there's enough cash involved.
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Sounds like Shinkan should probably stop posting anything bad about communism on Sherdog. Uh oh.
This part could be good, though.
"Mr. Duterte also said during a nationally televised news conference that he will begin a military offensive to destroy Abu Sayyaf extremists on southern Jolo Island."
He seems like a take no prisoners guy, so hopefully his goons can really put a hurting on Abu Sayyaf. I can't help but think nothing will come of this and it's all macho posturing, though.
This part could be good, though.
"Mr. Duterte also said during a nationally televised news conference that he will begin a military offensive to destroy Abu Sayyaf extremists on southern Jolo Island."
He seems like a take no prisoners guy, so hopefully his goons can really put a hurting on Abu Sayyaf. I can't help but think nothing will come of this and it's all macho posturing, though.
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- Department of Environment and Natural Resources.
- Department of Agriculture.
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- Department of Labor.
I guess ShinkanPo is still safe from Maoists for now, unless the head of the Department of Communications is seated next to his new Communist colleages in those Cabinet meetings, and forget to lock his laptop when taking a bathroom break
- Department of Agriculture.
- Department of Social Welfare.
- Department of Labor.
I guess ShinkanPo is still safe from Maoists for now, unless the head of the Department of Communications is seated next to his new Communist colleages in those Cabinet meetings, and forget to lock his laptop when taking a bathroom break
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Haha I will continue my Anti-Communist postings, My family has always been anti Dictatorship and Anti Marcos from the start.
You know that Dutertard is so bad when you have a staunch Anti Marcos praise the late dictator for his anti communist stance.
I am looking for Marcos' anti communist speech in youtube.
It will be the equivalent of a Centrist or Democrat turning full Republican.
About Duterturd destroying the Abu Sayaf
I am not holding my breath, what is he going to do sniff them up into his wide bannana nose?
I would not even be surprise if he gives the Moslems more autonomy.
And I don't think he is all that tough, I think he is just full of hot air and threats.
There is a quote from the Zombie series Fear the walking dead.
"In my time there are men who inspire fear, and do you know what all they have in common? They never say how threatening they are"
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I guess ShinkanPo is still safe from Maoists for now, unless the head of the Department of Communications is seated next to his new Communist colleages in those Cabinet meetings, and forget to lock his laptop when taking a bathroom break
I do believe we are in deep trouble now and we will be worst than Venezuela. The fucking media is all for it too.
Lol I guess my Gf will be out of work soon... she works at the US embassy.
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Philippines' Duterte condemned for saying journalists deserved to die
1 June 2016
1 June 2016
Philippine President-elect Rodrigo Duterte has been condemned by media groups for saying some of the many journalists killed in the country had deserved to die.
He made the comments at a news briefing in his home city, Davao, on Tuesday, where he also unveiled his new cabinet.
Since 1986, 176 journalists have been killed in the Philippines, one of the most dangerous countries for reporters.
But Mr Duterte said many of them had "done something wrong".
The former mayor of Davao was formally declared the next leader on Monday, after a landslide victory in May's election. He will be sworn in on 30 June.
'He deserved it'
When asked about the high number of attacks on journalists, Mr Duterte said that "you won't be killed if you don't do anything wrong".
Citing Jun Pala, a journalist, politician and critic of Duterte who was murdered in 2003, he said: "I do not want to diminish his memory but he was a rotten son of a bitch. He deserved it."
"That can't be just freedom of speech. The constitution can no longer help you if you disrespect a person."
The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines said the comments were "appalling".
"Mr Duterte's crass pronouncement not only sullies the names and memories of all 176 of our colleagues who have been murdered since 1986, he has also, in effect, declared open season to silence the media."
The US-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said the remarks "give security officials the right to kill for acts that they consider defamation".
"This is one of the most outrageous statements we have ever heard from a president in the Philippines," said CPJ's Shawn Crispin in Bangkok.
The news conference was a typically strident appearance by the man nicknamed "The Punisher" for his strict criminal policies in Davao.
Here are some of the other main points:
"I'm not saying that you kill them but the order is dead or alive."
Mr Duterte's popularity rests on his reputation as a crime-fighter.
During his time as mayor of Davao crime fell sharply, but it also saw the rise of death squads and, according to rights-groups, at least tacit official approval of the murder of more than 1,000 people.
Saying the new crackdown started "now", Mr Duterte promised to pay 3m pesos ($64,000; £44,000) to officials who capture suspected drug lords,
If any law enforcement agent was "messing around with drugs and it comes to a fight, I want you to kill him personally", he said.
http://www.nujp.org/2016/06/nothing-justifies-the-murder-of-journalists/
Any corpses ended up in the bay yet? Hahaha.
I'm interested to see if he's gonna keep this pledge to resign if he couldn't clean house in 6 months.
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He will not take office until June 30,
As of now he is still sayings stupid shit like corrupt journalists are not immune to assassinations a local TV network is starting to spin it more negatively they really don't like that Duterte, there are even rumors some members of the Military does not like him very much.
If after June 30, you don't see me posting here ha you know it.
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1. When the World Court determines that, I'll believe it. You seem to believe it simply because China = bad, West = good.
2. The "would have" doesn't matter. Any nation on Earth probably "would" be as predatory and abusive as the US if they had the power they did. But that tells you nothing. The argument you're making isn't "The USSR would be as bad or worse than the US if they had their power" (probably correct), but instead "The USSR was worse than the US," which is unquestionably wrong.
3. I'm implying that Western imperialism is tremendously profitable and Singapore is one of those small, non-geographically European areas that benefited from it.
4. Standard Western imperialism has little to no industrialization. All predatory.
5. You tell me. Japanese imperialism is 2/2 when it comes to former colonies becoming industrialized. Western imperialism is 0/150 (or whatever giant number of countries they've ransacked). Tremendous coincidence, or the result of deliberate practices?
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