Dustin Poirier is the best "striking based" Lightweight ever

Mcgregor turned into a biggest fool alive, but prime for prime, he is definitely better striker than Dustin. Chin and cardio yeah, there are many elements, but Conor is just crisper and faster with more power. Even their second fight, before Conor’s leg started to give out, it was easy going for him through the whole first round.

Alvarez fight is another proof, Dustin wins on chin and supreme conditioning, but Conor wins on just being much better striker, doesn’t get hit and hits hard and often.

But yeah, Dustin in the second spot for me…
 
Oz.Pride said:
Chandler is not my boy by any means but thanks for the poorly aimed assumption, it was refreshing
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No problem thanks for the unnecessary response, and worthless information...it tickled my taint sir.
 
I don't think Poirier beats Pettis, Bendo or RDA in their prime. He was never able to win his way to those fights. He fought Pettis long after his run. Confusing to me how people equate this to being the best of that generation.

Michael Johnson had a short kickboxing MMA fight with him and he knocked Dustin out in the first round. Dustin also went life and death with Dan Hooker who is a pure striker with a journeyman UFC record.

To be clear, Dustin is an incredible top 10 talent, now comfortably top 5 in todays landscape. He's fun to watch and a grizzled veteran. I will never skip a Dustin Poirier fight. That being said, its because he's well rounded, good to great at all facets of MMA. He's not something special as a striker and with shot hips he can't head kick.
 
Bojka said:
Poirier level changed into a TD 32 seconds into the 2nd fight (1st fight at 155).

Poirier went to grab Conor's leg to fake a TD attempt 34 seconds into the 3rd fight. And he did it again after that. He was using the threat of the takedown to make his striking more effective.

If you think Poirier is a better striker than Conor, then you must think Usman is a better striker than Masvidal.
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We were never arguing about who faked or feinted first, we were arguing about who initiated the grappling exchanges and it was Conor who initiated the clinch with Poirier before getting taken down and then out struck by Poirier. Really don't know how you could rationally begin to argue that Conor is a better LW striker than Dustin when he has such a limited, and frankly bad record at Lightweight, while also literally being knocked out on the feet and TKOd back to back lol.

Honestly, Conor isn't even in the discussion for top 15 at Lightweight strikers because of the lack of resumé in the division.

Very silly debate.
 
jeff7b9 said:
And?

Those are all legal techniques in MMA.

Poirier outstruck Conor in both of their LW fights. Period.

Make whatever excuses you want.
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This dude is severely butt hurt lol
 
ufcfan4 said:
great point. I don’t think it can be overstated how entertaining the fights of all four of those guys: Poirier, Chandler, Gaethje, and Alvarez are. And what a cool thing that they’ve all fought each other.

And Poirier is arguably the best of them which is really high praise considering they are all legit.
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Chandler and Gaethje are not 'legit' in comparison with their rankings. They are both hilariously over ranked for fighting a shot, nearing 40 year old Ferguson.

JG got his ass kicked by nearly every ranked fighter he fought. Chandler, now 2-3, didn't earn any of these fights. They gave him Ferguson for his - I shit you not - fourth consecutive loss.

If these guys had to actually fight their peers like Gamrot and Tsarukan, they would lose. This is exactly why JG is avoiding it.

Dustin is the better overall quality fighter, head and shoulders, then these guys. Both skill for skill and fight IQ. Alvarez would be next and in his prime better than both of those guys.
 
rjmbrd said:
I don't think Poirier beats Pettis, Bendo or RDA in their prime. He was never able to win his way to those fights. He fought Pettis long after his run. Confusing to me how people equate this to being the best of that generation.

Michael Johnson had a short kickboxing MMA fight with him and he knocked Dustin out in the first round. Dustin also went life and death with Dan Hooker who is a pure striker with a journeyman UFC record.

To be clear, Dustin is an incredible top 10 talent, now comfortably top 5 in todays landscape. He's fun to watch and a grizzled veteran. I will never skip a Dustin Poirier fight. That being said, its because he's well rounded, good to great at all facets of MMA. He's not something special as a striker and with shot hips he can't head kick.
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I completely disagree with almost every sentence, but you are entitled to your opinion.
 
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Zed237 said:
Yeah he beat all the best strikers in that division so I don't think it is too controversial. Add McGregor to that list 2x and we can also conclude Dustin is the best boxer. Might be best boxer in UFC currently along with volk.
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Man, you just got me thinking... Dustin vs Volk would be an awesome fight.
 
JustBleed69 said:
We were never arguing about who faked or feinted first, we were arguing about who initiated the grappling exchanges and it was Conor who initiated the clinch with Poirier before getting taken down and then out struck by Poirier. Really don't know how you could rationally begin to argue that Conor is a better LW striker than Dustin when he has such a limited, and frankly bad record at Lightweight, while also literally being knocked out on the feet and TKOd back to back lol.

Honestly, Conor isn't even in the discussion for top 15 at Lightweight strikers because of the lack of resumé in the division.

Very silly debate.
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That was your argument; not mine. Poirier was using the threat of the TD from the get go. That contributed to him hurting Conor, which was why Conor clinched. Make it a pure striking fight and maybe Poirier doesn't have that success.
 
rjmbrd said:
Chandler and Gaethje are not 'legit' in comparison with their rankings. They are both hilariously over ranked for fighting a shot, nearing 40 year old Ferguson.

JG got his ass kicked by nearly every ranked fighter he fought. Chandler, now 2-3, didn't earn any of these fights. They gave him Ferguson for his - I shit you not - fourth consecutive loss.

If these guys had to actually fight their peers like Gamrot and Tsarukan, they would lose. This is exactly why JG is avoiding it.

Dustin is the better overall quality fighter, head and shoulders, then these guys. Both skill for skill and fight IQ. Alvarez would be next and in his prime better than both of those guys.
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I've been trying to argue this in many places.
JG & Chandler are fucking up the LW rankings. I love watching them fight, but they should be fighting down right now defending their spots vs the young studs below them. Top of LW rankings has way too much rank-squatting.
I also agree that Poirier is better than these guys, but I also believe at this point he should not get a title shot next mostly bc the two Conor fights don't really count towards "putting in work" for LW ranking purposes & he's recently had 2 title shots.

As has been pointed out in many places, more fighters should look at Rob Whittaker as an example of how to go about your business after losing a title or a title shot. Just defend down some and stop rank squatting.

(aside: I realize The whole UFC system is a bit fucked, and obviously fighters need to look out for themselves so its complicated. But the guys towards the top get paid pretty well and should not do as much rank squatting as they do. The UFC should force better matches in these spots, and obv some of this is on the UFC for not doing that. Not sure how or when this gets fixed.)
 
Bojka said:
That was your argument; not mine. Poirier was using the threat of the TD from the get go. That contributed to him hurting Conor, which was why Conor clinched. Make it a pure striking fight and maybe Poirier doesn't have the success that leads to Conor clinching.
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Yeah, we are in an MMA forum talking about MMA fights, you do realize that right?
 
It's embarrassing how many sherbums shit on Dustin. Dude is a fucking animal. Yes, he has weaknesses, but man has a heart of a lion, and is absolutely elite. Just unlucky to be fighting in the toughest division and in the era of Khabib, his cryptonite pretty much. I thought he could have beaten Charles, just made a few tactical errors and it cost him.
 
JustBleed69 said:
Yeah, we are in an MMA forum talking about MMA fights, you do realize that right?
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I have no problem with the argument that Poirier is a better LW than Conor. Striking only is in doubt.

I am not even saying Conor is a better striker. We just don't know because their contests involved either TDs or the threat of the TD.
 
Bojka said:
I have no problem with the argument that Poirier is a better LW than Conor. Striking only is in doubt.
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A better striking based fighter in MMA in the Lightweight Division.
 
Maybe, but maybe not.

He's a fundamentally complete fighter aside from the wrestling department but the new breed of lightweights such as Fiziev and Beneli is going to test that ability of his.

Oliveira was Dustin's best chance for grabbing his title back but he got outstruck by him, outgrappled, and eventually submitted.

Dustin is going to have nightmare matchups at this point on because Chandler wrestle-fucking him for an entire round means that wrestlers are going be controlling him everytime unless Dustin literally makes their nose explode or some shit
 
Dustin is the fucking man. Hell of a good fighter and IMO one of the most exciting guys to watch fight.

It's damn near impossible to not get excited when you see he's on a fight card.
 
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