Doufus Sport has to take some blame in this

[KOFight228]

I mean come on, imagine:

- You pay the best piano teacher in the USA to teach you piano. 4 years later you can't correctly play 'Happy Birthday'.
- You pay the best driving instructor in the USA to teach you how to drive. 4 years later you fail driving test.
- You pay the best marathon coach in the USA to train you to run 26 miles straight. 4 years later you manage 6 miles before gassing out.
- You pay Gordon Ramsay to teach you to cook, 4 years later you attempt an omlette but undercook the eggs

The list goes on.
Punk:

- 35 at the time of beginning training
- Had a life long history of working in wrestling. Which meant:
- He had the conditioning to go 10-20 minutes, lifting bodyweight, running, jumping, suplexes, irish whips, flips etc all that WWE stuff
- He had functional strength base
- He knows what it feels like to get hurt
- He has the dedication to become good at something which involves cardio and strength
- Had no injuries or illnesses, at least none he made public
- Had all the time in the world to train

He may not be a gifted MMAist, but would you consider MJ a gifted MMAist? He came in with a better conditioning, strength, cash and dedication base than 99% of average blokes who just stroll into an MMA gym one day and decide to give it a shot. Not to mention tutoring from supposedly one of the best camps around.

Still can't get my head around the fact that he was gassing after literally 3 minutes. Doufus has some splainin' to do.

 

[chitoortiz]

duke conned cm punk

 

[Zanmato]

Minimally he is an unethical guy that was happy to line his pockets knowing Punk was absolutely hopeless and would've gotten his ass kicked against any fighter they put him up against. Those performances reflect 3.5 years of his coaching and support.

 

[TDD]

We dont know for sure, we dont know how much he trained or how willing or able he was to do what was instructed so who knows.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

I don't blame Roufus so much for Punk's uselessness, he obviously just doesn't have an athletic bone in his body.

The question is whether or not it's ethical for Duke to take the pay cheque from a guy he knows is a lost cause and send them in there to get beat up.

Duke is a professional trainer, he knows if a guy has potential or if a guy sucks. He knows Punk can't fight worth a lick. I hope the pay cheque is worth the integrity of the gym.

 

[Rygu]

Overrated coach trains overrated fighter and the outcome was embarrassing.

I'm not surprised, motherfuckers.

 

[Tuf_guy]

 

[Killroy]

The problem with your comparisons, is that learning MMA isn't just learning one thing.
If you learn to play the piano, you learn to play the piano, driving is driving, etc...
But MMA (surely at the level you want to see in the UFC) is learning boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj and also learn to get hit in the face, something Brock never learned properly. Brock was a freak athlete, but when he got punched hard, he went down and he went down turtling and ducking for cover.
Did Punk look great? No, ofcourse he fucking didn't, 4 years of training for something as diverse and containing that many skillsets is nothing.

 

[Keithhackney]

duke conned cm punk

This. They knew when he walked in and started training that hes not cut out for fighting. They let him hang around because hes rich and paid them too. They deserve some blame but not for the reasons you said. Punk was never going to be a good fighter at this stage in his life no matter where he trained. His coaches should have told him the truth and if he still wanted to fight get him an ammy fight.

 

[neil_totally]

I don’t completely disagree, but......

If a coach has students training and wanting to fight, it’s their job to do what they can to get them at their best to fight. I’m sure that not just Roufusport, but all the big name gyms we can all mention have plenty of fighters who’ve trained for a couple years and want to fight...... but end up being shit.

Only difference is we’re seeing Punk on big shows cos he’s famous. It’s not like they’re throwing him in there with long-established fighters with winning records. Both his fights were against newcomers (even Gall was almost brand new to mma, on paper anyway), so the Punk/Roufusport situation isn’t any different to any other gym getting fights for their guys, other than this guy in particular is famous.

 

[Fraz]

Wme and the fertittas conned punk, duke and dana

 

[Keithhackney]

I don’t completely disagree, but......

If a coach has students training and wanting to fight, it’s their job to do what they can to get them at their best to fight. I’m sure that not just Roufusport, but all the big name gyms we can all mention have plenty of fighters who’ve trained for a couple years and want to fight...... but end up being shit.

Only difference is we’re seeing Punk on big shows cos he’s famous. It’s not like they’re throwing him in there with long-established fighters with winning records. Both his fights were against newcomers (even Gall was almost brand new to mma, on paper anyway), so the Punk/Roufusport situation isn’t any different to any other gym getting fights for their guys, other than this guy in particular is famous.

But those guys weren't new to mma. They had amateur fights or fought in other combat sports. Doufus should have got him a fight with an 0-0 amateur because that is punks skill level

 

[neandertal]

It doesn't really make sense.

 

[GordaoPreguico]

A guy who had a fighter die in cage doing shady shit? I’m flabbergasted!

 

[SpiderCrawl]

Punk screwed punk.

 

[chubbazz]

I agree, they should have been realistic and honest with him, he was never going to be a well rounded mixed martial artist but they could have drilled a one two into a clinch takedown all day, every day, and at least given him a path to victory. Guy ended up with no skills everywhere.

 

[bigeastgi43]

I mean come on, imagine:

- You pay the best piano teacher in the USA to teach you piano. 4 years later you can't correctly play 'Happy Birthday'.
- You pay the best driving instructor in the USA to teach you how to drive. 4 years later you fail driving test.
- You pay the best marathon coach in the USA to train you to run 26 miles straight. 4 years later you manage 6 miles before gassing out.
- You pay Gordon Ramsay to teach you to cook, 4 years later you attempt an omlette but undercook the eggs

The list goes on.
Punk:

- 35 at the time of beginning training
- Had a life long history of working in wrestling. Which meant:
- He had the conditioning to go 10-20 minutes, lifting bodyweight, running, jumping, suplexes, irish whips, flips etc all that WWE stuff
- He had functional strength base
- He knows what it feels like to get hurt
- He has the dedication to become good at something which involves cardio and strength
- Had no injuries or illnesses, at least none he made public
- Had all the time in the world to train

He may not be a gifted MMAist, but would you consider MJ a gifted MMAist? He came in with a better conditioning, strength, cash and dedication base than 99% of average blokes who just stroll into an MMA gym one day and decide to give it a shot. Not to mention tutoring from supposedly one of the best camps around.

Still can't get my head around the fact that he was gassing after literally 3 minutes. Doufus has some splainin' to do.

Those are horrible comparisons. Not even close to accurate.

 

[MadHouse]

its true he ain't athletic but i more think its a case of him not really learning anything or at least nothing stuck, Punk legit look like he didn't train for a day in his life no technique, no skill, nothin

 

[billharford]

CM Punk is responsible for his own decisions and performance. I don't understand this need to constantly shift blame onto someone else.

Besides, not even Michelangelo could paint a masterpiece with a bucket of shit.

 

[bigeastgi43]

I don't blame Roufus so much for Punk's uselessness, he obviously just doesn't have an athletic bone in his body.

The question is whether or not it's ethical for Duke to take the pay cheque from a guy he knows is a lost cause and send them in there to get beat up.

Duke is a professional trainer, he knows if a guy has potential or if a guy sucks. He knows Punk can't fight worth a lick. I hope the pay cheque is worth the integrity of the gym.

You talk like punk isn't a grown ass man.