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[theBLADE1]

Apologize for what? I explained that as information came out it changed my mind. I also told you that it was based on my reading and Elizabeth Warren coming out and saying it. And yeah, no offense, but DNC insiders carry more weight than you.

Why because they're in a better position to lie to you or you just enjoy believing those lies because it makes your life easier? You don't have to believe those people making all the sense because then it might mean the world as you know it isn't so rosy.

 

[kpt018]

That's exactly what he thinks. He lets anyone with a capital D next to their name decide his thought processes. That's why these modern-day centrist Democrats are the definition of ineptitude because they have an utter inability to think outside the box in the midst of changing times and changing political environment.

I'm an ardent progressive and that's why I don't mind at all going hard on all these fools before they start their backpedaling.

Who did you vote for?

 

[kpt018]

Why because they're in a better position to lie to you or you just enjoy believing those lies because it makes your life easier? You don't have to believe those people making all the sense because then it might mean the world as you know it isn't so rosy.

I despise being lied to and I don't think the world is rosy. In fact, I'd prefer a candidate that can fight a little dirty (as long as ethics aren't compromised) and win vs someone pure who loses.

You're just making assumptions about me that you can't know. That's mostly because you don't try to understand my views.

Are you saying Warren is lying?

 

[Rockapotomuss]

Yeah, there's no evidence for that claim though.

There is more evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker than there is evidence of a Russian hack. Keep in mind, the DNC, aka Hillary Campaign, was in charge of hiring the spokespeople for the Rich family and in charge of hiring the private security firm that concluded the Russians hacked, therefore everything you know about these issues comes originally from the corrupt Hillary Campaign.

I have a few questions about Seth Rich. In particular, why were tweets from #Pandas4Progress, Seth Rich's twitter account, scrubbed from the internet after his death and replaced with a fake account? I believe because it demonstrates how hardcore Seth Rich was as a Bernie supporter, and how disillusioned he was with the corruption in the DNC that he saw. Why did Rod Wheeler do a 180 in 2 days on his investigation, first claiming?

 

[theBLADE1]

Who did you vote for?

Jill Stein. Because it was nothing more than a fuck you vote to the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Then I voted Democrat down ballot. I did my part in voting for the person who has the best chance of beating Donald Trump so if it wasn't going to be him, then Trump was the man our country deserves.

 

[HomerThompson]

But I don't have a big problem with a party defending itself from an outsider challenge. It's a dick move and makes Bernie fans unhappy, but they shouldn't be expected to give the party away to somebody who is significantly off their platform.

They signed the agreement before Bernie was even making real noise though. August of 2015. Even another insider to the party would've gotten similarly screwed. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

 

[Cajun]

But I don't have a big problem with a party defending itself from an outsider challenge. It's a dick move and makes Bernie fans unhappy, but they shouldn't be expected to give the party away to somebody who is significantly off their platform.

If that is the case then they probably should not be allowed to run under the party Banner. Then you remove the sabotage and its more honest about the party's platform. The thing is they know that if he ran as an independent it would split the Democratic vote so they may leave him in. But you see the outcome of that which is sabotage. Having only two parties this is how you set yourself up either you divide your own Vote or you accept the person under your party banner

 

[kpt018]

Jill Stein. Because it was nothing more than a fuck you vote to the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Then I voted Democrat down ballot. I did my part in voting for the person who has the best chance of beating Donald Trump so if it wasn't going to be him, then Trump was the man our country deserves.

Oh, the woman who raised money for a bullshit voter fraud claim and kept the cash. And you have the nerve to say we are the ones who helped Trump get elected? This is why we can't believe you, your logic is broken.

 

[theBLADE1]

Are you saying Warren is lying?

I don't think she's lying now.

But I think the evidence was also right in front of her face and she too is only saying it was rigged now that Donna came out and admitted. She even said that Hillary won fair and square. Anyone with a pair of eyes and ears could easily tell that was never the case.

So IMO she either knew and didn't care or just didn't want to know and I like Elizabeth for most of the things she's done but she doesn't get a pass.

 

[kpt018]

I don't think she's lying now.

But I think the evidence was also right in front of her face and she too is only saying it was rigged now that Donna came out and admitted. She even said that Hillary won fair and square. Anyone with a pair of eyes and ears could easily tell that was never the case.

So IMO she either knew and didn't care or just didn't want to know and I like Elizabeth for most of the things she's done but she doesn't get a pass.

You left off the rest of my post. Noted.

 

[theBLADE1]

Oh, the woman who raised money for a bullshit voter fraud claim and kept the cash. And you have the nerve to say we are the ones who helped Trump get elected? This is why we can't believe you, your logic is broken.

Why would I vote for someone who was gifted the Democratic nomination? She never earned my vote and was never ever going to be capable of winning the presidency. As it turns out you can't stick up the middle finger to more than half of the Democratic voting base and expect them to bow down and kiss your ass.

Voting for Sanders when it mattered was a vote against Donald Trump. By the way the county I live in went 60% to Clinton so miss me with that bullshit. You all are the ones who have been doing the most harm to the Democratic Party by letting these inept fucks get away with this shit for so long when the evidence has been right under Your noses.

 

[AviatorShades]

 

[HomerThompson]

There is more evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker than there is evidence of a Russian hack. Keep in mind, the DNC, aka Hillary Campaign, was in charge of hiring the spokespeople for the Rich family and in charge of hiring the private security firm that concluded the Russians hacked, therefore everything you know about these issues comes originally from the corrupt Hillary Campaign.

I have a few questions about Seth Rich. In particular, why were tweets from #Pandas4Bernie, Seth Rich's twitter account, scrubbed from the internet after his death? I believe because it demonstrates how hardcore Seth Rich was as a Bernie supporter, and how disillusioned he was with the corruption in the DNC that he saw. Why did Rod Wheeler do a 180 in 2 days on his investigation?

This is demonstrably false. It's an easy one too, as there is literally 0 evidence that Seth Rich stole and leaked those docs. Literally.

 

[theBLADE1]

You left off the rest of my post. Noted.

What this drivel?

I despise being lied to and I don't think the world is rosy. In fact, I'd prefer a candidate that can fight a little dirty (as long as ethics aren't compromised) and win vs someone pure who loses.

You're just making assumptions about me that you can't know. That's mostly because you don't try to understand my views.

You said you would prefer a candidate that fights dirty as long as they are compromised. WELL GUESS WHAT that bitch was compromised and so was the entire party establishment. So yeah I didn't quote it because it basically just confirms everything that I already knew about you.

YOU wanted to say I was calling Warren a liar so I answered that because you basically pulled that out of left field.

 

[theBLADE1]

What is "shit you say when you're in business with a crook"?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Because the Democratic primaries were stolen from the man who could've beaten Donald Trump and you denied it at every turn because of your pure ignorance and party allegiance to a bunch of corrupt corporatist. You could've voted for Sanders when that mattered in order to defeat Donald Trump. you probably don't like that line being told that you do?

This is retarded, though. The Democratic primary race was never close among actual voters. Naturally, the party wanted him to drop out when he was clearly finished because (as later events showed), the prolonged and bitter campaign helped Trump. And the claim that Bernie would have done better is highly unlikely.

 

[HomerThompson]

This is retarded, though. The Democratic primary race was never close among actual voters. Naturally, party wanted him to drop out when he was clearly finished because (as later events showed), the prolonged and bitter campaign helped Trump. And the claim that Bernie would have done better is highly unlikely.

That's just not true though. It was close early on. Also, the impact of the Clinton campaign literally controlling all DNC funding can't be ignored. Neither can the way his candidacy was portrayed by the compliant media. As a joke, impossible, etc. This was true virtually across the board. Also, you can't pretend to scenario would have been the same if Bernie had all the super delegates early on. That absolutely influenced primary voting.

I won't get into speculative arguments about him winning, but it's laughable to claim it highly unlikely for Bernie to have done better given the mood of the country, and the political atmosphere.

 

[theBLADE1]

This is retarded, though. The Democratic primary race was never close among actual voters. Naturally, party wanted him to drop out when he was clearly finished because (as later events showed), the prolonged and bitter campaign helped Trump. And the claim that Bernie would have done better is highly unlikely.

Listen dude the jig is up for people like you who believe this dumb shit.

You're still too ignorant to see there was a populist uprising in America and nobody wanted Hillary Clinton so the only way she could win was if it was gifted to her. I believe my eyes and you believe what people tell you. I will never respect someone who has to have their beliefs dictated to them.

She didn't win a damn thing fair and square and I promise you the final shoe has yet to drop.

 

[theBLADE1]

That's just not true though. It was close early on. Also, the impact of the Clinton campaign literally controlling all DNC funding can't be ignored. Neither can the way his candidacy was portrayed by the compliant media. As a joke, impossible, etc. This was true virtually across the board. Also, you can't pretend to scenario would have been the same if Bernie had all the super delegates early on. That absolutely influenced primary voting.

I won't get into speculative arguments about him winning, but it's laughable to claim it highly unlikely for Bernie to have done better given the mood of the country, and the political atmosphere.

@Jack V Savage hey dip shit!

 

[Jack V Savage]

That's just not true though. It was close early on.

Clinton won by 12 points at the end. When did it look closer than that?

Also, the impact of the Clinton campaign literally controlling all DNC funding can't be ignored. Neither can the way his candidacy was portrayed by the compliant media. As a joke, impossible, etc.

His candidacy was "portrayed" as impossible because he was trailing badly in the polls. Hence my point. And Bernie got *less* coverage than Clinton for the obvious reason that he was way behind but far more-favorable coverage. Also note that Bernie outspent Clinton in the primary so I can't see how funding strengthens your point here.

This was true virtually across the board. Also, you can't pretend to scenario would have been the same if Bernie had all the super delegates early on. That absolutely influenced primary voting.

This sounds implausible to me, but if you have any evidence to support it, I'm open to taking a look.

I won't get into speculative arguments about him winning, but it's laughable to claim it highly unlikely for Bernie to have done better given the mood of the country, and the political atmosphere.

Bernie had a much weaker campaign organization and was further from the median voter ideologically. And the GOP held back on the attacks because he never seemed likely to win. If he were the likely winner, he'd be the one people would be believing all kinds of horrible claims about and the one people like @ultramanhyata would think was a corrupt monster.