Dong Hyun Kim vs Sakuraba | Yushin Okami vs Kiyoshi Tamura

[Idonotbelieveit]

Okami wins

If Saku doesn't get KTFO in first round with a spinning fist, he wins as well

Saku ragdolls okami imo
Then sub
Saku wrestling was sick

 

[pankrat]

Judo vs cacc
Saku probably best guy to represent cacc apart from ken
Saku wins

Well obviously Kim is not just a Judo guy, not these days. It's actually a pretty well-rounded fighter and pretty solid wrestler. I still see Saku winning but it would be a tough fight for him imo.

Saku ragdolls okami imo
Then sub
Saku wrestling was sick

Ragdolls and submit Okami? When did you see anyone do so to him, apart from full camp OSP with 20lbs advantage on Yushin taking the fight on 6 days notice? I have seen Okami in the ground with Lister, Shields or Maia handling them pretty well.

Okami is actually an all-around stronger version of fighter than Kim, with less finishing ability by unorthodox striking and fearlesness but also way tighter and composed in the feet. Okami used to dominate Kim back when they were regular sparring partners in Wajutsu Keusukai; there is footage of it in Youtube

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Well obviously Kim is not just a Judo guy, not these days. It's actually a pretty well-rounded fighter and pretty solid wrestler. I still see Saku winning but it would be a tough fight for him imo.



Ragdolls and submit Okami? When did you see anyone do so to him, apart from full camp OSP with 20lbs advantage on Yushin taking the fight on 6 days notice? I have seen Okami in the ground with Lister, Shields or Maia and he handles them pretty well.

Okami is actually an all-around more solid version of fighter than Kim, with less finishing ability with unorthodox striking but also more tight and composed in the feet. Okami used to dominate Kim back when they were regular sparring partners in Wajutsu Keusukai; there is footage of it in Youtube

Sonnen tossed okami around like a child saku wouldn't but he would single leg him all day then sub
Okami probably 5th best Japanese guy
Saku funaki suzuki all better

 

[pankrat]

Sonnen tossed okami around like a child saku wouldn't but he would single leg him all day then sub
Okami probably 5th best Japanese guy
Saku funaki suzuki all better

That version of Sonnen was ragdolling pretty much anyone (he was unable to keep Okami on his back though). Anyways Okami moved to America just after that loss to Sonnen and largely improved his wrestling in Team Quest under Matt Lindland as his head coach. He really evolved into a different fighter while training in America.

I can see Saku hitting the single leg but not sure about him being able to keep Okami down for very long. On the other hand I think Okami's boxing and GnP could give him some problems.
Okami has never even been threatened in the ground during all his run at ww/mw. And he has fought ton of BJJ black belts and decorated wrestlers in that run. To say Saku would be the first to not only threaten him, but locking the sub, seems a pretty risky thing to say.

Oh Funaki or even Suzuki would beat Okami in a fight? Really? Funaki who was even panicking to Yuki Kondo's slaps would have a hard time dealing with Okami's straight punches, man. Also with Okami's GnP if he dives trying to avoiding it, as he was doing with Kondo's slaps.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

That version of Sonnen was ragdolling pretty much anyone (he was unable to keep Okami on his back though). Anyways Okami moved to America just after that loss to Sonnen and largely improved his wrestling in Team Quest under Matt Lindland as his head coach.

I can see Saku hitting the single leg but not sure about him being able to keep Okami down for very long. On the other hand I think Okami's boxing could give him some problems.

Oh Funaki or even Suzuki would beat Okami in a fight? Really? Funaki who was even panicking to Yuki Kondo's slaps would have a hard time dealing with Okami's straight punches, man. Also with Okami's GnP if he dives trying to avoiding it, as he was doing with Kondo's slaps.

Funaki okami would be close imo
Suzuki smaller but he was Olympic wrestler he'd take down okami when ever he liked

 

[pankrat]

Funaki okami would be close imo
Suzuki smaller but he was Olympic wrestler he'd take down okami when ever he liked

Mark Munoz is one of the most respected wrestlers in America and a much bigger man than Suzuki. Okami completely shut down every Munoz attempt of taking the fight to the ground and outboxed him.
Suzuki would get destroyed, man, same than Funaki. C'mon get real, lol.
Under modern mma rule set of course, not the rule set from early Pancrase

I see Tamura having more chances than Funaki or Suzuki actually. And still I think he would get dominated.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Mark Munoz is one of the most respected wrestlers in America and a much bigger man than Suzuki. Okami completely shut down Munoz attempt of taking the fight to the ground and outboxed him.
Suzuki would get destroyed, man, same than Funaki. C'mon get real, lol.
Under modern mma rule set of course, not the rule set from early Pancrase

That would fuck up okami imagine suzuki hitting 3 leg locks on okami in one round
Pancrase was brutal
His only way to win would to control suzuki wouldn't happen

 

[pankrat]

That would fuck up okami imagine suzuki hitting 3 leg locks on okami in one round
Pancrase was brutal

Well Okami would get in Pancrase ring with a whole lot more grappling experience and skill than, say, Bas Rutten. But anyways, we are talking about them under modern mma rule set, and you know Suzuki would get completely fucked up in that scenario.
Seriously get real. Okami faced Dean Lister (a 2x HW ADCC champion and leg lock master) and had no problems going to the ground with him. You are underestimating Okami's grappling skills, especially on the defense

 

[pankrat]

His only way to win would to control suzuki wouldn't happen

Well if iwe are talking about a fight were its not allowed to punch your opponent in the face...than yeah, Suzuki would have a chance. Otherwise, Suzuki is getting busted just with the jab

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Well if iwe are talking about a fight were its not allowed to punch your opponent in the face...than yeah, Suzuki would have a chance. Otherwise, Suzuki is getting busted just with the jab

On the feet I don't think would have mattered imo
He goes to punch suzuki clinches he might catch him but okami isnt great on feet
Palm strikes are just as dangerous as closed fists

 

[gono btw]

Well if iwe are talking about a fight were its not allowed to punch your opponent in the face...than yeah, Suzuki would have a chance. Otherwise, Suzuki is getting busted just with the jab

When you project someone like Suzuki in modern times, you have to consider that he would probably be cutting some seriouz weight, and wouldnt even fight @ MW , while Okami is a natural MW who can even fight @ LHW.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

When you project someone like Suzuki in modern times, you have to consider that he would probably be cutting some seriouz weight, and wouldnt even fight @ MW , while Okami can fight is a natural MW who can even fight @ LHW.

Okami was huge according to sonnen and he was big bet walked at 220
Suzuki was like 175 in prime but he took down ken with ease and Everyone else he was Olympic alternate

 

[gono btw]

Well obviously Kim is not just a Judo guy, not these days. It's actually a pretty well-rounded fighter and pretty solid wrestler. I still see Saku winning but it would be a tough fight for him imo.



Ragdolls and submit Okami? When did you see anyone do so to him, apart from full camp OSP with 20lbs advantage on Yushin taking the fight on 6 days notice? I have seen Okami in the ground with Lister, Shields or Maia handling them pretty well.

Okami is actually an all-around stronger version of fighter than Kim, with less finishing ability by unorthodox striking and fearlesness but also way tighter and composed in the feet. Okami used to dominate Kim back when they were regular sparring partners in Wajutsu Keusukai; there is footage of it in Youtube

holy sh... you must be Okami´s Number One fan, cant believe it...

Okami had nuthin for SAKU GOAT... He wouldnt even accept to fight him, would call him a 'boring' fighter jus´like Mezger (...!?)...

Sakurai reversed and almost Kimura-ed the bigger Okami in Pride, who was literally saved by the bell... Imagine what SAKU would have done with this go-to-move...

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Mark Munoz is one of the most respected wrestlers in America and a much bigger man than Suzuki. Okami completely shut down every Munoz attempt of taking the fight to the ground and outboxed him.
Suzuki would get destroyed, man, same than Funaki. C'mon get real, lol.
Under modern mma rule set of course, not the rule set from early Pancrase

I see Tamura having more chances than Funaki or Suzuki actually. And still I think he would get dominated.

Tamura just isn't as skilled as funaki suzuki

 

[pankrat]

When you project someone like Suzuki in modern times, you have to consider that he would probably be cutting some seriouz weight, and wouldnt even fight @ MW , while Okami can fight is a natural MW who can even fight @ LHW.

Well I could agree with that.
Then you should agree that saying "Suzuki could beat Okami in a fight under modern mma rulse set and lock 3 leg locks in one round" is completely unrealistic.
Not to mention Okami went to the ground with a world-class leg lock specialist with no problem

 

[gono btw]

Well I could agree with that.
Then you should agree that saying "Suzuki could beat Okami in a fight under modern mma rulse set and lock 3 leg locks in one round" is completely unrealistic.
Not to mention Okami went to the ground with a world-class leg lock specialist with no problem

Realistically, if it´s a fantasy match-up, why would Okami be matched in his comfort zone?

 

[pankrat]

Okami was huge according to sonnen and he was big bet walked at 220

Well that's just no true, man. Let's try to not bring up false arguments,
Sonnen, and Okami himself, actually reported that Yushin's walk around weight was pretty light for a MW. Around 200-205 lb which it's surprising (Sonnen dixit) as Okami looks to be heavier.

Whatever Sonnen says, the fact is that Okami is actually figting at WW now in his late 30's, had never missed weight, and was even making the cut for a Deep or Pancrase payday in Japan not that long ago, so I doubt a guy with his credentials would be willing to kill himsef with a weightcut for a small paycheck.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Well that's just no true, man. Let's try to not bring up false arguments,
Sonnen, and Okami himself, actually reported that Yushin's walk around weight was pretty light for a MW. Around 200-205 lb which it's surprising (Sonnen dixit) as Okami looks to be heavier.

Whatever Sonnen says, the fact is that Okami is actually figting at WW now in his late 30's, had never missed weight, and was even making the cut for a Deep or Pancrase payday in Japan not that long ago, so I doubt a guy with his credentials would be willing to kill himsef with a weightcut for a small paycheck.

Ok yeah I'm not informed on his weight . He does look big though bigger than 205 on fight night

 

[gono btw]

that's cruel man, dong is gonna smash sakuraba, fuckin aoki pounded him out and he's a sub guy.

he´s obviously not talkin´about right now...

 

[pankrat]

Tamura just isn't as skilled as funaki suzuki

Maybe not as a submission artist. But I would say he was able to deliver and taking strikes better than both of them. That's pretty important in a fight, man
I would say Tamura is very well recognized as a shoot wrestler but a bit underrated as a fighter.