Crime Donald Trump Hush Money Fraud Trial (5/30 Update: Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Felony Charges)

Blayt7hh said:
To his hardcore cult, not a damn bit. They would vote for him no matter what. To swing voters it matters. I actually think It may swing more of them in his favor. The narrative that this is weaponizes justice is obviously nonsense but they are really good at spreading lies and combing people it’s true.
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I still expect Americans to elect him president. Again.
Mostly due to my extremely high opinion of the United States.
 
Barteh said:
You seem to have lost the plot or have me confused with somebody else. I'm not the one going on unhinged rants online, I'm just chuckling at the irony of TDS victims unironically celebrating his election win.
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Defending a rapist like trump = rape apologist, how is that hard to comprehend?
 
if he gets prison time, and he gets elected, does he leave prison immediately in november, or only when he is sworn in on the 20th january (i assume it's the same date)?

cause it might mean he's coming straight from prison to the ceremony, which would look hilarious.

Could he have foreign affairs state trips to non-extradition countries?
 
KOPPE said:
Defending a rapist like trump = rape apologist, how is that hard to comprehend?
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I'm making fun of unhinged people like you who are upset that their orange daddy felon rapist is going to win the election, I'm not defending Trump. You sound very confused.
 
nostradumbass said:
No, wasn't those either. Didn't have anything to do with him making money, it was him spending money, and the "business records" was just the bookkeeping from the quick books drop down menu after he spent it. The predicate crime that it would have to be "concealing" in order to make it a felony and within the statue of limitations wasn't actually specified. The theories being floated for the "underlying crime" were a campaign finance violation by claiming it should have been considered him donating to his own campaign, but if they had solidly alleged that was it, Trump could have called the former election commission chairman to testify and clarify the law and say it wasn't, so they didn't actually specify the crime so the judge could keep him from testifying. In the end they just told the jury they don't have to agree on what the underlying crime was, and they would accept an aggregate opinion for a unanimous decision.
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I think you're onto something that could have been used by Blanche in the closing arguments, but it wasn't. So because that angle wasn't used officially in the court of law, it has no formal legal merit. I haven't played close enough attention to the trial, but I'm not sure it was even brought up in any of the hearings.

All Braggs and Steinglass had to do was construct a version of the facts that spoke about Trump's actions as those done by a man who knew what he was doing was illegal. The jury responded in favor of that, and they had to accept the legal merit of the charges because they went unchallenged by the defense. Was that because Blanche is an incompetent lawyer, or did Trump instruct his attorney on which angles to pursue because he thought his trial was a show on the political theatre he could spin leading up to the campaign? My wager is on the latter.


And you can try and defend Trump on the merits of the charges as much as you want but the fact remains that there was no legal jousting between prosecution and defence that would settle the matter. And seeing as how you are not a lawyer yourself, and are likely only consuming legal opinions from Trump supporting sources, I'd say your ability to be knowledgeable and objective on the matter are about equivalent to Trump's knowledge and expertise in biochemistry.
 
Rational Poster said:
He didn't get convicted for having an affair with a porn star though.

He got convicted for his role in bank fraud and coverup of the payments to avoid making campaign finance declarations.
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That's justice. I support it. VIPs need to be equally treated under the law. No more rich guys stealing.

I watched some video and read a short article and got the idea it was over covering up hush money to his pornstar afair.
 
nostradumbass said:
No, wasn't those either. Didn't have anything to do with him making money, it was him spending money, and the "business records" was just the bookkeeping from the quick books drop down menu after he spent it. The predicate crime that it would have to be "concealing" in order to make it a felony and within the statue of limitations wasn't actually specified. The theories being floated for the "underlying crime" were a campaign finance violation by claiming it should have been considered him donating to his own campaign, but if they had solidly alleged that was it, Trump could have called the former election commission chairman to testify and clarify the law and say it wasn't, so they didn't actually specify the crime so the judge could keep him from testifying. In the end they just told the jury they don't have to agree on what the underlying crime was, and they would accept an aggregate opinion for a unanimous decision.

There are not that many previous times it's been prosecuted as a felony, but the other times have been like a lady claiming she has young kids when she didn't actually have any kids on a food stamp application to get higher payments, a business owner who didn't claim $1 million of his income to avoid taxes, and insurance fraud in a house fire to get paid for items that weren't in fire.

The previous cases have all had clear predicate crimes for financial gain, so pretty easy to show who the victim was and the exact dollar amount the person made from it. Trumps don't really have a victim, or maybe since Hillary Clinton lost to him that would make her the "victim", not really sure because they didn't specify.
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So what did he do ? Spent charity money on his political campaign ? So that he doesn't have to pay taxes for his campaign ? Sounds like a rookie mistake. Like someone who is used to playing rich people tricks but now got confronted for it.
 
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As predicted by everybody with more than one brain cell.
 
Trabaho said:
That's justice. I support it. VIPs need to be equally treated under the law. No more rich guys stealing.

I watched some video and read a short article and got the idea it was over covering up hush money to his pornstar afair.
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That's thing to, if it just came out he had an affair with a porn star no one would give a shit least of all his supporters. If anything the kind of sleeze ball he's always been, it's expected.

Instead without any sort of prompting they just immediately tried to cover it up using a pretty specific combination of fraudulent activity. Lies to bank, fraudulent documentation of repayment, etc

It really says a lot about Trump and the people around him how they decided to attempt this coverup. It's almost like they've done it before, they just weren't caught because he didn't have the same sort of scrutiny when he wasn't a political figure.
 
Barteh said:
I'm making fun of unhinged people like you who are upset that their orange daddy felon rapist is going to win the election, I'm not defending Trump. You sound very confused.
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Sure..
I have TDS so what do I know.
Just go ask your Catholic gf how she feels about Trump, a man who exemplifies the 7 Deadly Sins, who defiled the Bible by adding the “WORD OF MEN” and the U.S. flag to the “WORD OF GOD” for $59.99!
 
Barteh said:
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As predicted by everybody with more than one brain cell.
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So you still working on specifics as to what charges were shams?

I see you emotionally posting up a storm but for some reason you don't have a response to my direct question.
 
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