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Don Jr., Kushner, and Manafort met with Kremlin lawyer in June: Don Jr. confirms meeting.

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Well, if we ever need proof that our society is not meritocratic, it's hard to find a better example than Donald. Or Beavis and Butthead, his two kids.

If Donald wasn't born into wealth he'd be at the OTB in stained sweatpants yelling at everyone.
well HOLA, we've placed a bunch of pieces into a game...nature is out the window, we are nature run amuck but hell, progress is a motherfucker. We aren't going back on our own accord so consider Trump not the first or the last. At least our government, in all its influence and power, was created by people who understand human nature to enough of an extent as to control this sort of nonsense when it happens.

I am not being hyperbolic, I think he's a legit, certifiable human being at this point...a "this person should or would be committed in another circumstance"...he's that far gone.

Maybe Trump is Hancock's asteroid...you never know.

How many other "mischaracterized" people in history, dubbed great men, mirrored Trump. I shutter to know the answer.
 
"Ms. Veselnitskaya is married to a former deputy transportation minister, and her clients include state-owned businesses. Her activities and associations had previously drawn the attention of the F.B.I., according to a former senior law enforcement official."

In the actual article, it states that she was "formerly married", hence why it says "Ms." and not Mrs. The title of the article also clearly says "linked to Kremlin", not that she is a direct representative of them...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

...are you intentionally editing out details to give the impression this person is more connected to the Kremlin than she actually is?
 
LOL at the #Trumpets. They were so convinced that they had "killed" the Russian investigation. Today, the FBI still at work, and now collusion is beyond reasonable denial. Apparently it was much worse, and much closer to Trump himself than even national security hawks like myself had assumed.

Damage control is futile. We've already been given three different stories. People who tell the truth start and stop with just the one.
The Three Stories of Donald Trump Jr. (So Far)
Faced with a series of ever-more-damaging reports about his meeting with a Kremlin-connected lawyer, the president’s son keeps changing his account.
The Atlantic said:
Figures in politics get caught lying frequently, but seldom do they get caught so quickly, and with as much panache, as Donald Trump Jr. has been caught by The New York Times over the last three days. Twice now, the businessman has offered an account of a June 9 meeting at Trump Tower, only to see the paper quickly return with reporting that suggests his account was incomplete, inaccurate, or untruthful.

Here’s the first version: On Saturday, the Times reported that the president’s eldest son had met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer at Trump Tower in June. Trump Jr. said he did not know the name of the person he was meeting ahead of time, and that the meeting had been arranged by a friend (later revealed to be the music publicist Rob Goldstone).

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“We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up,” Trump Jr. said in a statement. That left unanswered why he would have included both his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in such a casual (and apparently pointless) meeting.

But the Times quickly found three advisers to the White House who countered that, no, Trump Jr. had been informed ahead of time that the person he was meeting had information that could be damaging to the campaign of Hillary Clinton, Trump’s opponent in the election.

Thus Trump Jr.’s second story: Stunningly, he admitted that he was open to receiving damaging information about Clinton (and thus colluding with Russia), but said his contact simply couldn’t deliver the goods. Trump Jr. said in a fresh statement that he hadn’t been informed who he was meeting, but had been told that she would have information relevant to his father’s campaign. Once in the meeting, the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, dangled evidence that Russians were funding the Democratic National Committee and helping Clinton, but didn’t provide proof and instead talked about adoptions, frustrating Trump Jr.

This was, on its own, a landmark moment in the story of whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russian officials to influence the election, as Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating. If entirely true, it is the first example of someone in the Trump inner orbit at least trying to collude prior to Election Day. He had denied that he knew what was going on ahead of time, but in the process, apparently conceded the central accusation about willingness to collude.

Thus story 2A: Donald Trump Jr. tweeted Monday sarcastically suggesting that overtures like the one he received are common on campaigns. In other words, collusion is perfectly normal.

But what if it wasn’t the end of the story? Monday night, the Times struck again: Prior to the meeting, “Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.”

The sourcing for this article is subtly, but perhaps consequentially, different. Rather than citing three advisers to the White House, it attributes the information to “three people with knowledge of the email,” a broader category (though one that could take in sources inside the law-enforcement or intelligence community).

It’s almost beyond belief, as Stringer Bell would note, that anyone would put such a conversation in writing, given how embarrassing such a communication could be. Can the Timess sources really be correct? Despite Trump Jr.’s sarcastic tweet, campaign veterans told HuffPost that being approached by a foreign agent was unheard of and would have led them to contact law enforcement. Trump Jr. and Kushner were campaign amateurs, on their first rodeo, but Manafort, a veteran operator in both U.S. and foreign politics would, or should, have know better. (If the email existed, it will be a piercing irony: Trump’s repeated impeachment of Clinton’s judgment and honesty during the campaign, based on her careless handling of emails, was a central pillar of his upset victory.)

Thus Trump Jr.’s third version, this time offered through Alan Futerfas, a veteran lawyer whose hiring he announced on Monday. The new story: Nothing to see here, folks.

In my view, this is much ado about nothing. During this busy period, Robert Goldstone contacted Don Jr. in an email and suggested that people had information concerning alleged wrongdoing by Democratic Party front-runner, Hillary Clinton, in her dealings with Russia... Don Jr.’s takeaway from this communication was that someone had information potentially helpful to the campaign and it was coming from someone he knew. Don Jr. had no knowledge as to what specific information, if any, would be discussed.

Will this version prove to be more complete and truthful than the earlier ones? Earlier Monday, Goldstone told the Times he did not know the origin of the information, and that he was told that Veselnitskaya had information about illegal contributions to the DNC, despite the Timess reporting that the Russian-government origin was discussed. When the paper attempted to contact him to comment on its latest report, which contradicts those assertions, it was not successful.

Several weeks after the meeting with Veselnitskaya, Trump Jr. insisted on CNN that the accusation that Russia wanted to hurt Clinton was “phony” and “disgusting.”

If Trump Jr. did know that he was receiving information from the Russian government, a crucial question is whether he thought he was receiving emails or other materials that had been illegally hacked, which could deepen his legal jeopardy. Trump Jr. also says he did not receive any damaging information at the meeting—as does Veselnitskaya—but with his story changing so rapidly, it’s difficult to extend that claim the benefit of the doubt.

Trump Jr. also says that his father was unaware of the meeting, a surprising detail given that both Kushner and Manafort were present, the fact that Trump Sr. was also at Trump Tower that day (where he lunched with Manafort), and the close-knit relationship among Trump family members. Trump’s lawyer maintains he did not know about the meeting, as did a White House spokeswoman on Monday. (Trump Sr.’s denial of knowledge, terse, straightforward, and unchanging, has stood in unusual contrast to Trump Jr.’s rapidly evolving story line, and to the president’s typical, improvisatory approach.) The Times reports the president was informed of the meeting as he prepared to return to the U.S. from his trip to the G20 summit in Germany last week. If Kushner kept the meeting from Trump, he also kept it from federal officials, failing to disclose it on an application for security clearance. He recently disclosed the meeting, as did Manafort.

As always, it is possible that the meeting with Veselnitskaya was innocent, in both Trump Jr.’s intention and legality. But his contradictory accounts of the meeting, along with Kushner and Manafort’s failure to disclose it, create a political problem for the White House, because they offer the impression that President Trump’s son and son-in-law have something to hide. At some point in the future, it will become clear how serious a legal problem they create, too.
 
This is pretty fucking incredible. If you'd told me a candidate's son went to Russia to collect dirt on another candidate, I'd have said bullshit.

I guess it wasn't bullshit. If it wasn't collusion, what's the right word?
 
This is pretty fucking incredible. If you'd told me a candidate's son went to Russia to collect dirt on another candidate, I'd have said bullshit.

I guess it wasn't bullshit. If it wasn't collusion, what's the right word?

That would be bullshit. Don Jr. apparently met with this lawyer at Trump Tower; he never went to Russia.

"Nothingburger" probably is the right word for it. Unless they can actually prove she had communications with the Russian government or is their representative aside from speculation/guilt by association, then it merely amounts to wishful thinking.

So far, only the DNC has been revealed to have been colluding with a foreign government during the election, with actual Ukrainian government officials:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
 
That would be bullshit. Don Jr. apparently met with this lawyer at Trump Tower; he never went to Russia.

"Nothingburger" probably is the right word for it. Unless they can actually prove she had communications with the Russian government or is their representative aside from speculation/guilt by association, then it merely amounts to wishful thinking.

So far, only the DNC has been revealed to have been colluding with a foreign government during the election, with actual Ukrainian government officials:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
Jesus fucking Christ, what does it take
 
Were there aliens too? What about Bigfoot?

Libs have cried wolf too many times. I don't believe anything anymore.

Even if I did believe anything, which I don't, I wouldn't care. You've cried wolf about Russia so many times that in desensitized to it now.

Frankly, what ever happened with the Benghazi investigations?
 
Sounds like it was a random lawyer from Russia not connected to the Kremlin. She wanted to talk about adoption while Trump Jr. got the impression she had some dirt on Hillary. She had none and that was that.

No laws broken. No "collusion" with a foreign government. And no interference with the election or campaign.

So unless you guys are now trying to criminalize finding dirt on your political opponents you got a big ol, high sodium content, nothingburger.
 
LOL at the #Trumpets. They were so convinced that they had "killed" the Russian investigation.

Do you think Don Jr. violated the law, and do you see the investigation leading to charges?
 
Are people forgetting that the DNC and Podesta hacks took place well before this meeting?
 
Do you think Don Jr. violated the law, and do you see the investigation leading to charges?
If a candidate's son meeting with a foreign power in the hopes of swinging the election for his father isn't ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP, y'all have not only lost your moral compass, it's as much as an admission that you never had one.
 
If a candidate's son meeting with a foreign power in the hopes of swinging the election for his father isn't ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP, y'all have not only lost your moral compass, it's as much as an admission that you never had one.

It isn't fucked up at all. Unless did something illegal or made policy promises, all's fair in love and war.

Imagine that Merkel had a tape of Donald Trump saying the n-word. Would you be this outraged if Chelsea Clinton met with Merkel to get the tape?
 
Sounds like it was a random lawyer from Russia not connected to the Kremlin. She wanted to talk about adoption while Trump Jr. got the impression she had some dirt on Hillary. She had none and that was that.

No laws broken. No "collusion" with a foreign government. And no interference with the election or campaign.

So unless you guys are now trying to criminalize finding dirt on your political opponents you got a big ol, high sodium content, nothingburger.

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It isn't fucked up at all. Unless did something illegal or made policy promises, all's fair in love and war.

Imagine that Merkel had a tape of Donald Trump saying the n-word. Would you be this outraged if Chelsea Clinton met with Merkel to get the tape?
You can't be serous.
 
So no proof of wrong doing?

Just as we expected.

A nothingburger again. Lots of hope, desperation and speculation but no actual proof of anything illegal.
 
Trump supporters need to understand exactly what the "Adoption Issue" is code for before thinking it's a great explanation/deflection to keep selling.

Actually don't. It's more amusing that way.
 
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