Dominick Cruz is better than Demetrious Johnson!

It makes a million times more sense with MM then it did with Conor. MM cleaned out his division. Hell he has two fights scheduled upcoming. One against Reis and one against the TUF winner. That has never happened before. The UFC us basically saying "hey Reis you're a sacrificial lamb." As soon as he sets the title defense record(which he stated was his major goal) he'll move up I'll bet.

I agree it makes more sense for the hardcore MMA fans, but i meant for the business side of things, as he isnt popular, it is true that he is sort of scheduled twice already, but thats not exactly him, more like "the winner of" who is scheduled to fight the winner of TUF.

He might move to fight Cruz, but i doubt it, he asked a lot of money at one point to fight TJ, he probably wants even more to fight Cruz, not getting it.
 
You're also comparing guys from 2 different weight classes and in this case VERY different size wise. All you are saying is that every top 10 Bantamweight can beat every top 10 flyweight. Shouldn't that be the case? Also Dodson>Dilly (source: they did fight and Dodson won).
Let's see if Cruz can stay healthy and compete more than once every 2 years and maybe he'll get all the cred he once had. You can't win a race you didn't run in.
 
Dodson at that time was not as good as Bowles was at that time.

People forget how highly-touted Bowles was, and also how beatable Dodson was back then.

No. Bowles hadn't competed in two years, and was coming off a submission loss to Faber. Dodson, on the other hand, was 3-0 in the UFC with a win over Dillashaw and two top 10 wins over Formiga and Tim Elliot, with Formiga being ranked in the top 3-5 at 125.
 
No. Bowles hadn't competed in two years, and was coming off a submission loss to Faber. Dodson, on the other hand, was 3-0 in the UFC with a win over Dillashaw and two top 10 wins over Formiga and Tim Elliot, with Formiga being ranked in the top 3-5 at 125.
Was Formiga ranked that high at the time?
 
No. Bowles hadn't competed in two years, and was coming off a submission loss to Faber. Dodson, on the other hand, was 3-0 in the UFC with a win over Dillashaw and two top 10 wins over Formiga and Tim Elliot, with Formiga being ranked in the top 3-5 at 125.
When Bowles lost to Dom he was the undefeated champion(8-0) & dethroned the 37-1 Miguel Torres via first round KO.
 
I've argued this point on an unrelated post today, and I'm keen on making this a subject of it's own.

TLDR: Cruz has a better resume, has fought the tougher fighters, has more marquee wins and has more odds stacked against him - therefore he deserves more credit and should be considered a better fighter than Johnson. Oh, and of course he beat him easily before

I think Cruz is the better fighter, has the better resume and should 100% be ranked higher than DJ.

Resumes:


Let's look at their last 8 fights and compare opponents first:

Cruz:

W - Faber - UD
W - Dillashaw - SD
W - Mizugaki - KO
W - Johnson - UD
W - Faber - UD
W - Jorgensen - UD
W - Benavidez - SD
W - Bowles - TKO

Johnson:

W - Cejudo - TKO
W - Dodson - UD
W - Horiguchi - Submission
W - Cariaso - Submission
W - Bagautinov - UD
W - Benavidez - KO
W - Moraga - Submission
W - Dodson - Decision

Comparing difficulty of recent opponents:


Good thing about 125lbs is the vast majority of fighters in that class actually used to fight at 135lbs, so we get a good gauge for who is actually the best fighter across weight classes.

If you were to compare match-ups I would say the below is pretty accurate:

Faber > Cejudo
Dillashaw > Dodson
Mizugaki = Horiguchi
Johnson > Cariaso
Faber > Bagautinov
Jorgensen < Benavidez
Benavidez > Moraga
Bowles = Dodson

That would mean by my estimation that Cruz has had the more difficult opponent 5 times out of 8 in their last 8 fights each. I have a few as pretty close e.g. Mizugaki/Horiguchi, and Dodson/Bowles.

Activity and length of career to date:


Cruz has been a fighter since Jan, 2005 - meaning he has a 11 year career. Please bear in mind that he was out with injuries for 3 years combined, meaning that in reality he's had more like a 8-9 year career.

Johnson has been a fighter since Apr, 2007 - meaning he has a 9 year career. No long standing injuries like Dominick, so they really have been active for around the same amount of time.

Level of success whilst fighting:


Cruz - 22-1
Johnson - 24-2-1

Johnson has 2 more wins, but has 2 times more where he did not achieve victory e.g. loss and draw. So essentially they are pretty much dead even in terms of success, but guess what the tie-breaker is? Cruz beat Johnson with ease, yes it's true.

I cannot understand the people that believe Johnson and Cruz are fighting with the same handicap. Surely being near to unbeatable after having career-altering injury, after injury, after injury, gives you a small advantage in an argument like this.

Summary:

I think it's obvious that Cruz edges Johnson out on this discussion.

I believe if you compare;

Resumes, strength of schedule, the physical challenges for Dominick and finally the fact that Dominick handily defeated Demetrious - it is enough to prove that he is simply the better fighter at this moment.

I think we need to see that SuperFight to put an end to this, once and for all.

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Mighty Mouse is way more exciting than Cruz! MM is faster and explosive as well, he gets my vote over Cruz any day :)
 
Cruz has a ton of split decision wins that could have gone either way. That to me say's he's not a dominant champion. People are high on cruz now. And he looked good against faber in his last fight but before that, he normally scrapes by with wins. He scraped by wins against benevidez, barely beat faber in their 2nd fight. I have never been impressed with cruz' moving constantly and barely winning fights.
Would you care to quit trolling or being willingly ignorant?

I've told you several times now that Dom has only won FOUR out of his FOURTEEN decisions by split. Two back in his early days(at LW), the other two vs Dillashaw & the rematch with Benavidez which was a clear 49-46 for Dom, the judges were just shitty(out struck him every round, for a total of 103-46 with SIX takedowns to 0).

Normally scrapes by...riiiiight... Like he did vs Mizugaki(first round KO)? Faber 2(clear victory, similar to Benavidez rematch minus the shitty judges)? Johnson(50-45)? Jorgensen(50-45)? Bowles(out struck him 45-15 with 2 tds in two rounds before the fight was stopped)? Then the rest of his clear unanimous decision victories. Go on. Continue to lie to everyone now. The only truly close fight he's had was vs TJ & yet...he was still the victor officially & to most in their opinions.
 
You put Dillashaw as a harder opponent than Dodson. Why?

Dodson beat dillashaw and has only lost to Johnson in the past 7 years. Dillashaw has lost to 3 different people in the UFC.
came here to say pretty much exactly this
 
Cruz is better than DJ the same way Derrick Lewis is better than Rockhold,Weidman,Jacare etc.

Literally nothing happened in their fight showed that Cruz has better skills, just used his size advantage and overpowered him with spamming TD attempts.

People are forgetting that DJ is even a small Flyweight, let alone fighting against a huge Bantamweight.
Ah come on now, bud... He took DJ down 10 times. That's wrestling, not size... DJ beat the 5'9", 76" reach having Miguel Torres by UD(who's at FW now). Dom is 5'8" with a 68". He also landed the more effective shots seeing as he rocked DJ with the hardest shots & shot he's ever been hit with(his words) as well as almost getting RNC'd in the third.
 
I agree that Cruz would still beat MM but Johnson has definitely looked the most dominant out of any champ as of late
 
Hope they fight again, my money would be on Mighty Mouse.

How do you think MM would stop his wrestling? Cruz suplexed him like he was a child, while having torn a bunch of ligaments in his hands in the first round.
 
How about Cruz finishes a few people and then we talk. He wins by not getting hit rather than actually doing anything offensive. He's the best dancer in the UFC.
 
How about Cruz finishes a few people and then we talk. He wins by not getting hit rather than actually doing anything offensive. He's the best dancer in the UFC.
Hard to finish guys when they are elite.

Ask Demetrious, he's only ever finished one elite fighter.
 
How about Cruz finishes a few people and then we talk. He wins by not getting hit rather than actually doing anything offensive. He's the best dancer in the UFC.
Miss the last fight...? Among pretty much all his others...



 
If they fought again at catchweight, my money would be on Mighty Mouse.
 
Would you care to quit trolling or being willingly ignorant?

I've told you several times now that Dom has only won FOUR out of his FOURTEEN decisions by split. Two back in his early days(at LW), the other two vs Dillashaw & the rematch with Benavidez which was a clear 49-46 for Dom, the judges were just shitty(out struck him every round, for a total of 103-46 with SIX takedowns to 0).

Normally scrapes by...riiiiight... Like he did vs Mizugaki(first round KO)? Faber 2(clear victory, similar to Benavidez rematch minus the shitty judges)? Johnson(50-45)? Jorgensen(50-45)? Bowles(out struck him 45-15 with 2 tds in two rounds before the fight was stopped)? Then the rest of his clear unanimous decision victories. Go on. Continue to lie to everyone now. The only truly close fight he's had was vs TJ & yet...he was still the victor officially & to most in their opinions.
Bravo Bravo!

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