Elections DOGE is formed

[Sano]

A reality TV star president and his best friend the richest man in the world, who bought one of the largest social media platforms in the world to use as his personal political mouthpiece, make a 'government agency' based on a meme bitcoin about a dog which said richest man used to scam people to into giving him money before it crashed.

How are people not seeing how absurd all this stuff is. I mean, take a step back and it's cartoonish. Talk about Idiocracy.

 

[Bob Sagat]

You're really stretching here by arguing that his foreign policy views are irrelevant even though he would have influence over which foreign policy-enacting government departments get how much funding. Or are you pretending that DoD and the State Department are exempt from his purview?

he's not even in the office yet and you're already manufacturing a scenario where he unilaterally cuts into the DoD with zero oversight based on his foreign policy talking points

Why isn't he accusing Trump of winning through voter fraud since he was insisting that voter fraud was a serious concern this election?

probably because they are still investigating those instances of voter fraud?

Massive Michigan vote totals from formatting error, not extra votes | Fact check

A report listing people who cast ballots in Michigan alongside multiple addresses had a formatting error. It wasn't proof of voter fraud.

www.usatoday.com

He should use his own bootstraps and win on his own merits, without the government teat then.

refusing to utilize subsidies would just make him a bad businessman and you'd take them if you had an EV company

And yet here you are insisting that he'll do great despite little evidence in that direction and ample evidence that he is woefully unqualified for the position and likely to abuse it. Or is too much to ask government officials to step back form running their multibillionaire businesses?

I'm not saying he'll do great, but you are in fact crucifying him for a role you know nothing about based on his opinions on intl policy and his willingness to take money allocated for his business that he had no control over authorizing.

 

[Sano]

the richest person in the world now has a position in our government
no one should be celebrating this

Not to mention this guy made most of his fortune by exploiting governement subsidies ffs and has been found liable for fraud several times. Tesla would have been bankrupt more than once without it.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Not to mention this guy made most of his fortune by exploiting governement subsidies ffs and has been found liable for fraud several times. Tesla would have been bankrupt more than once without it.

Most of his wealth comes from the stock in his companies that benefit from government subsidies which he now has oversight of. It is a major breech in ethics and a total conflict of interest.

 

[avenue94]

he's not even in the office yet and you're already manufacturing a scenario where he unilaterally cuts into the DoD with zero oversight based on his foreign policy talking points

My concern isn't that, it's him giving bad advice to people who have sway over budgets. He's already bragging about cutting $2 trillion in spending. How do you do that exactly? Shouldn't his claims be at least somewhat grounded in reality?

probably because they are still investigating those instances of voter fraud?

Your source literally say it wasn't fraud. Also he was complaining about fraud in PA I believe. What happened?

I'm not saying he'll do great, but you are in fact crucifying him for a role you know nothing about based on his opinions on intl policy and his willingness to take money allocated for his business that he had no control over authorizing.

If you ran a company and wanted to hire a consultant to oversee Department A, which has a annual budget of 2 million, and the consultant said he'll find 3 million in spending cuts form Department A, would you hire him or laugh him out of the room?

 

[Sano]

I'm not arguing that it needs 400+ departments. I'm arguing that Musk is woefully in over his head and has laughable knowledge of policy and government. He claims that he'll cut at least $2 trillion dollars in annual spending. How will he do that given that's more than US discretionary spending?

He also talks about how there will be hardship and people will have to learn to 'live within their means' as he cuts whatever the wants to cut.

Musk says Americans will have to face 'hardship' if Trump wins​

Musk on Tuesday confirmed his belief that the economy will suffer if Trump is elected and implements his policy plans. In response to an X user who posted there will be “an initial severe overreaction in the economy” and “markets will tumble,” Musk tweeted Tuesday: “Sounds about right.”

Musk says Americans will have to face 'hardship' if Trump wins

Trump has said he'll put the tech billionaire in charge of government "efficiency" if elected. That won't be good for Americans' wallets.

www.yahoo.com

Isn't that convenient when these fools will cut taxes for themselves and see exponential growth in already ABSURD levels of wealth. Talk about rigging the system, it's crazy. Also notice, that no one is talking about healthcare, or prices for the average american, or education, or poverty, or creating infrastructure or a healthy society.

 

[Blastbeat]

its finally here boys. the meme economy has arrived.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I'm not arguing that it needs 400+ departments.

Awesome.
Happy to hear that is settled.

I'm arguing that Musk is woefully in over his head and has laughable knowledge of policy and government.

Whats his knowledge of policy and government.

He claims that he'll cut at least $2 trillion dollars in annual spending. How will he do that given that's more than US discretionary spending?

By identifying and removing unnessary wastes of money, and useless federal departments are great way to remove bloat.

The key word Musk has used is 'efficient.' Which is why SpaceX repeatedly beats out other NASA options for major contracts.
SpaceX does more for less than the other options.

He bought Twitter and fired 80% of the employees and anyone that uses it can't tell the difference now as compared to when it had five times the employees.

And it hasn't gone unnoticed throughout this entire thread you haven't made a better suggestion for who should be analyzing federal departments for defunding.

So go ahead. Post your list of people who are more qualified than Musk for that position.

 

[panamaican]

This is mostly meh at this point. They're going to recommend a lot of stuff. And then reality is going to set in.

A lot of domestic spending is benefiting someone's state. I wish them luck convincing the Senator from State Y to cut the funding from a program that feeds his/her constituents. Especially when that Senator turns to his fellow Senator and says "If you let them cut my stuff, I'm pushing them to cut yours too."

They might be more successful with the foreign policy spending. But, imo, it's the failure to understand what secures our place at the top of the global pyramid that was always the biggest problem with a Trump administration.

 

[Lycandroid]

I played MGS originally lol

Fell out with one of them when it was non stop cutscenes though!

Skipping Metal Gear because of the cuts scenes ? The degeneracy of the left knows no bounds.

 

[chardog]

Not to mention this guy made most of his fortune by exploiting governement subsidies ffs and has been found liable for fraud several times. Tesla would have been bankrupt more than once without it.

"exploitation" or "opportunity" not all that different. If you're maximizing tax code to your advantage, that's "exploitation". If you're wealthy and using public schools, that's "exploitation". I see zero moral issues with using subsidies for the scam known as global warming, I dont make the rules, however, I will maximize my benefits, and there's nothing wrong with that code of conduct. absolutely zero moral conflict for buying electric cars and a solar system, zero. If there werent subsidies, I'd have to weigh the payoff, but since the subsidies exist, and to my favor, I went with it. If you want elon to thank ford and GM for the subsidies, you can make your case, and at the same time, he knows that he can leverage from these subsidies, and he can see the vision of the future with electric cars, and made the right call.

 

[Rod1]

Trying to cut government waste makes us a circus?

"trying to cut government waste"

What are you willing to bet that they aren't going to cut any waste?

 

[Bob Sagat]

My concern isn't that, it's him giving bad advice to people who have sway over budgets. He's already bragging about cutting $2 trillion in spending. How do you do that exactly? Shouldn't his claims be at least somewhat grounded in reality?

why don't you ask him instead of innately predicting that it will be disasterous? you already have your mind made up and there is no winning with you
you're the one endlessly shitting on him again, for a job you know nothing about

Your source literally say it wasn't fraud. Also he was complaining about fraud in PA I believe. What happened?

I brought up an issue of voter fraud that was found to be nonexistent to illustrate why people might not be complaining about voter fraud at the moment
they are still being investigated
I'm 100% sure both sides are still working on this. I can't see into the future I really don't know what to tell you

If you ran a company and wanted to hire a consultant to oversee Department A, which has a annual budget of 2 million, and the consultant said he'll find 3 million in spending cuts form Department A, would you hire him or laugh him out of the room?

so your issue is a talking point of his that he has not had the opportunity to prove or disprove yet and you're predicting disaster. not surprised

 

[avenue94]

By identifying and removing unnessary wastes of money, and useless federal departments are great way to remove bloat.

The key word Musk has used is 'efficient.' Which is why SpaceX repeatedly beats out other NASA options for major contracts.
SpaceX does more for less than the other options.

He bought Twitter and fired 80% of the employees and anyone that uses it can't tell the difference now as compared to when it had five times the employees.

And it hasn't gone unnoticed throughout this entire thread you haven't made a better suggestion for who should be analyzing federal departments for defunding.

So go ahead. Post your list of people who are more qualified than Musk for that position.

Again, $2 trillion is more than all of discretionary spending for FY24. Are you proposing that Musk is going to eliminate every last cent of it? Or do you think he's going to cut mandatory spending like Social Security?

And Twitter is a shittier product that has experienced more downtime and buggy rollouts post sale. Hardly the kind of cost cutting I want to see in government.

I'd pick almost every single IG or most of the leadership from the GAO. Most contract analysis and approval specialists as well. Shit, I'll even take some McKinsey hacks as more qualified than a guy who thinks you can cut the US budget by $2 trillion.

 

[Lycandroid]

I replied to your question. People of America would be extremely outraged if George Soros was appointed any position in the government. The same people are excited to see Musk in it. The problem of giant deficit and government overreach bothers people of America and they will support fighting it. They won't support open borders and mutilation of children.

one is trying to help the country work efficiently and the other is trying to reshape the world according to an ideology most people do not support. False equivalency

 

[avenue94]

why don't you ask him instead of innately predicting that it will be disasterous? you already have your mind made up and there is no winning with you
you're the one endlessly shitting on him again, for a job you know nothing about

Saying you're going to cut more than every last dollar of discretionary spending means you're deeply unserious and have no interest in knowing your subject matter (government spending). That's on par with claiming the world is flat, there's no defending such loonies.

I brought up an issue of voter fraud that was found to be nonexistent to illustrate why people might not be complaining about voter fraud at the moment
they are still being investigated
I'm 100% sure both sides are still working on this. I can't see into the future I really don't know what to tell you

And yet, Musk stopped caring. It's almost as if he's an dishonest person with no integrity.

so your issue is a talking point of his that he has not had the opportunity to prove or disprove yet and you're predicting disaster. not surprised

It's impossible to cut $2 trillion from the budget unless you intend on cutting all discretionary spending and then also cutting into mandatory spending like SS. There's no need to disprove such idiotic ideas since they disprove themselves.

 

[Rod1]

By identifying and removing unnessary wastes of money,

Such as?

and useless federal departments are great way to remove bloat.

All discretionary spending in America isn't even $2 trillion, so even if they literally cut all government spending they wouldn't hit the $2 trillion part.

The only way to do that is cutting pensions and Medicare.

 

[Rod1]

one is trying to help the country work efficiently

By creating yet another government agency? sounds legit.

and the other is trying to reshape the world according to an ideology most people do not support. False equivalency

People do not support democracy?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Again, $2 trillion is more than all of discretionary spending for FY24.

Thats what they say publicly, but like everything politicians say to the public its probably bullshit.

Let Musk cook.

And Twitter is a shittier product that has experienced more downtime and buggy rollouts post sale. Hardly the kind of cost cutting I want to see in government.

Downtime & buggy rollouts? Perhaps when Musk was making changes after he bought it, but your talking points are expired. Its a well-oiled machine now.

Sounds like you don't want any cost cutting in the government.

I'd pick almost every single IG or most of the leadership from the GAO.

Post their names, their qualifications, and histories with making corporations more efficient.

Saying 'Every IG' or 'someone from GAO' ain't cutting it.

 

[panamaican]

"trying to cut government waste"

What are you willing to bet that they aren't going to cut any waste?

The problem is going to be how they define "waste". People always want to cut the government spending that benefits others and rarely want to cut the spending that benefits themselves.

The real issue is going to be when they go to cut spending in things like healthcare and education because they think it's going to hurt the liberal urban centers and then the people in rural and further flung red centers find out that they really couldn't afford things without Uncle Sam's help.

The "Cut Obamacare but don't cut the ACA" stories from before always pop into my head here. These people will demand the shuttering of the Department of Education and then when their kid's school suddenly becomes even worse or their property tax sky rocket to offset the loss of funding, they will lose their shit about their kids not being educated.

I suspect that a lot of what is going to happen during this administration is going to help the upper middle class maintain and extend their advantages over the low income and lower middle class population. And the supporters won't even recognize it's happening. They'll just complain in 4 or 8 years about how the establishment government hurts the little guy.