Dog of Peace Strikes Again . . . Allah AkBARK *Running Pit Bull Thread*

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Certainly, it can be.

I wouldn't leave my Cane Corso unattended with any child, even to go take a dump real quick. And my dog is highly trained having passed Shutzhund IPO 2, AKC Canine Good Citizen, and American Humane Society levels 1-5. She's not only highly trained, she's also physically exercised every few days, mentally stimulated and well fed. She's never been trained with negative reinforcement or abused. I recognize that I have a dangerous dog as a pet and I don't put her in situations that would set her up for failure.

The biggest issue with the APBT is that it's incredibly cheap to get one. My Cane Corso cost me $2500. My last APBT, a Colby, was like $40. So you have this economic barrier for some of these breeds right now that prevent casual ownership. You need to drop serious cash to get my dog. You can basically get an APBT for free. So you have owners with almost no knowledge of the breed and its needs. The APBT is a terrier, and terriers are high energy dogs. My mastiff is lazy and tires out with a half hour of exercise then she's good for the rest of the day. My APBT would need several hours of exercise a day to be tired. If you don't give an APBT the exercise they need mentally and physically you're creating a time bomb. On top of that, these owners aren't correctly training and socializing the dogs. It's irresponsible ownership.

So yeah, there's a lot of potential danger with APBT ownership. It's like keeping an AR-15 in the house. If you have one, that's fine, but you need to have proper training, respect the risks, and mitigate them properly. If you don't do that, then don't be surprised when you leave it alone with a kid and that gun goes off.

I'm not an APBT apologist. Both sides have points, but there's a lot more to the problem than "pits are the devil dog that loves to kill babies with it's locking jaws" or the equally silly opposite claim that "pits are misunderstood babies that would never harm a fly".

If your dog is well trained, properly exercised, mentally stimulated, and respected then it will be fine to have around kids. My Corso loves kids. She tolerates their abuse really well, but I also respect my Corso enough to know when she needs space or is getting tired of the attention.

It's all about respecting these creatures. My dog is a 100lb carnivore bred to fight in wars with the Roman legions, bear and bull baiting, and estate protection. To pretend like that animal couldn't harm a human is silly.

There you have it.

People need to study and understand the breed of dog they are getting as a pet, and furthermore, take the time and money required to properly train the dog and understand its needs and behaviours. Most people just shouldn't have pets as I've seen how people are with their own children, negligent and ignorant to their needs. Now you have something that can potentially kill you whether it be a corso, pit, rot, or any potentially aggressive dog breed, the negligence and lack of respect for that animal can most certainly pose lethal.

The short of it is, don't try to take ownership of something you are not willing to invest the time and effort into raising, as it can and will bite you in the ass down the road.

 

[Phlog]

This arguement follows the same rules as the gun debate.

Meanwhile in sensible countries: pitbulls banned.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

This arguement follows the same rules as the gun debate.

Meanwhile in sensible countries: pitbulls banned.

Like the Soviet Union or Communist China?

 

[Halifax]

Go read some expert stats instead of coming to your own conclusions.

A vast majority of pitbull related attacks were due to the dog being trained and raised to be aggressive to begin with. You could train a lab to kill but they don't look as "cool" or "as fearsome as pits. In fact, in my city, German Sheppard's and labs top the list for most bites and fatalities.

I have been brought up around dogs of all types and have constantly been around pits, and the only time I've ever had an issue with one was because the owner was an aggressive ahole who treated his dogs like shit.

They are highly intelligent, extremely loyal, extremely child and family friendly, very playful and very good with strangers. Dog experts have said they actually have a solid temperment and are quick to learn. They do require training and are not for novices, which is the problem. Stupid people who get them for the wrong reasons.

Bullshit. Unless you mean human only attacks. Hate to break it to you but dog on dog attacks matter too.

These dogs are born predisposed to attacking other animals without signalling. Their very genetic design.

They need an alpha owner. Someone who will no coddle them and decide raising them lovingly with snuggles is how to raise the dogs. That's a recipe for disaster with pitbulls. Which is why so many 90lb hippie chicks are shocked when their Pit suddenly attacks their neighbors dog. They need positive reinforcement training, but also need to be made aware you are the alpha in all situations.

When a Lab attacks, usually the worst outcome is small punctures because they don't latch on and not let go(Not predisposed to fighting to the death). When A pitbull attacks its shredded muscles and tendons and high chance of death and they can take baseball bats to the head without letting go.

 

[Halifax]

Here we the go the Pitbull apologetic is here blaming it on dumb and uneducated owners again.

You are wrong, a Pitbull is not just like any other dog. If that were truly the case then why were they used for fighting and why are bloodhounds used for sniffing? It’s because they were breed to perform a specific function.

Being social and friendly is not being denied, I’m sure majority are when they raised by educated and responsible owners but that’s not the problem. Its fact they are quick to anger and attack more so than any other dog breed because that it was their born to do, fight and attack. Even a well raised Pitbull still has it in them to flip switch and go crazy.

Have you been around chows or Rottweilers? They get angry at the drop of a dime. German Sheppard's will bark at your ass for no reason. You are simply going off the fact that they were bred for fighting. Yes, I do recognize they don't have the best tolerance when it comes to interactions with other animals, but thats why they need training to deal with those weaknesses. A Doberman is more naturally inclined to attack a human then a Pit as pits were also meant to be great around people and protectors. You clearly have no clue as to tendencies and behaviours of certain dog breeds much like most people, as you likely don't have experience with them, and just run off assumptions . It's like people assuming all mexican and black people gang bang or all Chinese people eat bat soup and dogs.[/QUOTE]

The problem IS dumb uneducated owners. Unfortunately that accounts for a large majority of Pit owners.

For the record, raising this dog in a loving environment where you let it jump on the couch and spoil it with treats and let it barge into a house first because "Its cute, look how excited he was to get in to see you" is nearly just as bad as a stereotype bad owner

This dog needs to be constantly shown you are the boss. And people prone to dressing it in Santa clause hats, letting it jump on the bed because its cute and playing tug of war with its toys tend to NOT be alpha owners

 

[Phlog]

Like the Soviet Union or Communist China?

You could just search if you wanted to know.

"Pit Bulls are banned in 12 countries around the world: New Zealand, Brazil, Belgium, Canada, France, Finland, Denmark, Poland, Norway, and the U. S. territory of Puerto Rico."

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

It's a real piece of shit thing to do, letting your dog run around off leash. I just don't understand that logic some people have. Even if you think your dog is friendly, maybe the other dog it runs up to isn't. Maybe someone is allergic to dogs. Maybe it gets hit by a car or runs into a child or disabled person. There's a million reasons you shouldn't let your dog run around off leash. Allowing a dog off leash should be reserved for controlled environments.

As much as I love dogs, if one runs up to me like that I'm going to be prepared to kick the shit out of it.

What's your take on dog leash free parks?

 

[DoomPatrol]

I shot one once while doing a search warrant at a drug house. Me and the Sarge went inside the Moore house on Oregon St. and were immediately set upon by a 125 lb
HUGE ass pit. I shot it twice point black with a .40 cal Glock and dude shot it twice. Did it die? lol, no just crawled over to the corner and lay down, licking it's wounds.
Turns out the family sued the city and the city ended up paying the vet bills. They took four slugs out of the thing and it LIVED!
smh, beastly.

My friend has a male Cane Corso that interrupted a home invader one night. My friend woke up to gunshots going off and then a lot of noise. He eventually went downstairs and found his dog perfectly happy with two 45 ACP holes in his back. Dog had an unknown man's shoe and was shaking off the blood all over the downstairs of his house, but was otherwise fine. These strong protection breeds are something else.

“Are Pit Bulls the most dangerous domestic dogs?”

I’m Curious of all the people voting NO, what domesticated dog is the most dangerous?

I would say the Caucasian Shepherd is the most dangerous breed or type of mastiff. Just not many of them out there in the public.

What's your take on dog leash free parks?

I wouldn't risk it. If I take my dog out to a park, like a national park or something, I'll throw a longer lead on her so she can stomp around, but she's always under control if I need to bring her back for some reason. I've only let her off leash when I'm on private property with tons of acreage. These leash free parks are kind of an at your own risk type of thing. I've actually had a friend's APBT get seriously attacked in one by a Boxer and have to go get hospitalized for a week. Incidents like that are bound to happen when you let dogs interact with minimal restriction.

I prefer to let my dog have social outings with other dogs she's worked around in training classes. We setup outings and dog play times where we know whose dogs are around.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

My friend has a male Cane Corso that interrupted a home invader one night. My friend woke up to gunshots going off and then a lot of noise. He eventually went downstairs and found his dog perfectly happy with two 45 ACP holes in his back. Dog had an unknown man's shoe and was shaking off the blood all over the downstairs of his house, but was otherwise fine. These strong protection breeds are something else.



I would say the Caucasian Shepherd is the most dangerous breed or type of mastiff. Just not many of them out there in the public.



I wouldn't risk it. If I take my dog out to a park, like a national park or something, I'll throw a longer lead on her so she can stomp around, but she's always under control if I need to bring her back for some reason. I've only let her off leash when I'm on private property with tons of acreage. These leash free parks are kind of an at your own risk type of thing. I've actually had a friend's APBT get seriously attacked in one by a Boxer and have to go get hospitalized for a week. Incidents like that are bound to happen when you let dogs interact with minimal restriction.

I prefer to let my dog have social outings with other dogs she's worked around in training classes. We setup outings and dog play times where we know whose dogs are around.

First off thanks for your reply.

I haven't read through this whole thread and from what I've read so far I believe you're very knowledgable on this subject.

So if you don't mind if I ask you, what do you think of Pit Bulls? Do they live up to their reputation or is everything blown out of proportion? Would you consider them the most dangerous dog?

 

[DoomPatrol]

First off thanks for your reply.

I haven't read through this whole thread and from what I've read so far I believe you're very knowledgable on this subject.

So if you don't mind if I ask you, what do you think of Pit Bulls? Do they live up to their reputation or is everything blown out of proportion? Would you consider them the most dangerous dog?

I think the reputation is greatly blown out of proportion. They are no more dangerous than a dozen other large breeds, there's just a shit ton more of them and there's a lot more uneducated owners. That's not to say that they aren't dangerous. They are simply because they are high energy, powerful dogs. They need owners who have the time and education to properly care for them, and the low economic entry barrier to ownership allows for a lot of shitty owners. If you could pick up Cane Corsos or Rottweilers for basically free and that's what everyone wanted instead, you'd have the same issues with those breeds too.

Again, I would say the most dangerous dog breed is probably the Caucasian Shepherd, but you'll probably never see one.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

I think the reputation is greatly blown out of proportion. They are no more dangerous than a dozen other large breeds, there's just a shit ton more of them and there's a lot more uneducated owners. That's not to say that they aren't dangerous. They are simply because they are high energy, powerful dogs. They need owners who have the time and education to properly care for them, and the low economic entry barrier to ownership allows for a lot of shitty owners. If you could pick up Cane Corsos or Rottweilers for basically free and that's what everyone wanted instead, you'd have the same issues with those breeds too.

Again, I would say the most dangerous dog breed is probably the Caucasian Shepherd, but you'll probably never see one.

Very insightful response thank you.

 

[Threetrees]

I seriously don't understand pitbulls. They're not cute or anything. Most people can't even control them.

They're gorgeous

 

[Merlotte's]

LOL

Several threads in the ‘berry this week got posters wishing death on one another because of dogs and addicts.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

If you put down the dog, put down the owner also

I’ve been saying this for years. I completely agree.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Weird how I never hear about any of these stories around me or anyone I've ever known. I've been around plenty of pits and 0 problems. Always hearing about it via news articles.

Do you not know what anecdotal evidence is and why it is not considered scientific? Virtually all the empirical data suggests your experience is a statistical outlier. Please don’t have kids.






But if you do, have you considered getting a pit bull? You know, they used to be nanny dogs. They can watch your kids for you while you go to your dealer’s trailer to score some meth.

 

[Halifax]

You could just search if you wanted to know.

"Pit Bulls are banned in 12 countries around the world: New Zealand, Brazil, Belgium, Canada, France, Finland, Denmark, Poland, Norway, and the U. S. territory of Puerto Rico."

Pits are not banned in Canada .

Certain provinces yea.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

You could just search if you wanted to know.

"Pit Bulls are banned in 12 countries around the world: New Zealand, Brazil, Belgium, Canada, France, Finland, Denmark, Poland, Norway, and the U. S. territory of Puerto Rico."

Yep, because I'm clearly talking about dogs and not your "reasonable countries ban guns" rhetoric.

 

[Phlog]

Yep, because I'm clearly talking about dogs and not your "reasonable countries ban guns" rhetoric.

Do you know about the debate on gun laws in the now non existent Soviet Union or in China? Seems a weird thing to espouse on without specialist knowledge.

 

[D Train]

Here we the go the Pitbull apologetic is here blaming it on dumb and uneducated owners again.

You are wrong, a Pitbull is not just like any other dog. If that were truly the case then why were they used for fighting and why are bloodhounds used for sniffing? It’s because they were breed to perform a specific function.

Being social and friendly is not being denied, I’m sure majority are when they raised by educated and responsible owners but that’s not the problem. Its fact they are quick to anger and attack more so than any other dog breed because that it was their born to do, fight and attack. Even a well raised Pitbull still has it in them to flip switch and go crazy.

Actually fighting other dogs and attacking humans are two very different things. It’s considered a disqualifying trait if an APBT is human aggressive because handlers have to be able to safely handle their dogs even when they are fighting other dogs.
Knowing that APBTs can be dog aggressive, I’ve socialized mine since she was a puppy and I still only let her play with dogs that are bigger than her. I’ve never seen any dog aggression, but I don’t want to put her in a bad situation either. She did get attacked by two Irish Wolfhounds, but she didn’t instigate that and I didn’t even see it coming.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

Do you know about the debate on gun laws in the now non existent Soviet Union or in China? Seems a weird thing to espouse on without specialist knowledge.

You suggested reasonable nations ban guns I responded with two unreasonable nations who banned guns and then killed ten millions of their citizens.

No specialist knowledge needed here.