I am a student of rhetoric, and this was nicely done. I will, however, offer this rebuttal. Dana didn't build that stage. People like Rorion Gracie, Art Davie, and Bob Meyrowitz did. The Fertittas stole it out from underneath them. Lorenzo was the head of NSAC when they denied the UFC's event permits, thus contributing directly to money flow problems, which forced Semaphore Entertainment Group to sell to...Zuffa. The Fertittas learned such strong arm tactics from their mafia connected father. Dana is merely the caporegime who ran this hustle for them, and now for Ari, who comes from a different kind of mob mentality.
- Fighter Pay –
The “other sports pay 50% to athletes” myth
Is everyone aware that fooseball team owners make money outside of their 49% split? So if you insist on comparing the UFC's "total Revenue" to fighter pay you must do the same to the sport you're comparing it too.
Here's a quick wake up call for everyone parroting this ridiculous figure. ALL REVENUE A FOOSEBALL TEAM MAKES FROM THEIR STADIUM IS A PART OF THE OWNER'S PROFITS... and NOT shared with the athletes. Read that again please... & then lets take a look at the Dallas Cowboy's split once you add in TOTAL REVENUE.
Dallas Cowboys 2018 season (well before Covid made them lose profits)
950M Revenue
190M Player pay (20% of revenue)
.......................
/debate
· 950M Revenue
· 420M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
· 530M Total Expenses (diff between the top 2 bullets)
· 340M Expenses minus Player pay
· 610M The bullet above minus the top bullet gives us our “Revenue after expenses” (not including player pay.) This is the figure that should be fairly compared to the UFC's company/athlete split imo)
· 190M Player pay (20% of revenue – 31% of Revenue after expenses)
The UFC's percentage goes up "after expenses" as well, but all the comparisons are being done off of the archaic "total revenue" figure, as if the expenses of running the UFC would be exactly equal to a fooseball team.
intimate financial information about 2015 was presented July 22, 2016 in a 58 page Lender Presentation for potential investors. (the celebrities that bought in) So here's what I'm considering the best numbers from inside the UFC that we've ever had.
· 609M Revenue (earnings before expenses)
· 307M Expenses (not including fighter pay)
· 302M Revenue after expenses (The difference between the 2 bullets above)
· 113M Fighter pay (18.6% of Revenue – 37% of Revenue after expenses)
· 189M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
This paints a much different picture of this debate yeah?
Everyone throws out the 16-20% revenue number, which sounds bad. But, you have to put it in context with what their other expenses are. The put on at least 50 events per year, which costs alot of money. They have payroll costs for their employees. They have marketing expenses. They have invested in training facilities. They have travel expenses. They pay taxes, etc... it's not as if they are just pocketing the other 80% of the revenues.
- Fighter Pay –
The “other sports pay 50% to athletes” myth
Is everyone aware that fooseball team owners make money outside of their 49% split? So if you insist on comparing the UFC's "total Revenue" to fighter pay you must do the same to the sport you're comparing it too.
Here's a quick wake up call for everyone parroting this ridiculous figure. ALL REVENUE A FOOSEBALL TEAM MAKES FROM THEIR STADIUM IS A PART OF THE OWNER'S PROFITS... and NOT shared with the athletes. Read that again please... & then lets take a look at the Dallas Cowboy's split once you add in TOTAL REVENUE.
Dallas Cowboys 2018 season (well before Covid made them lose profits)
950M Revenue
190M Player pay (20% of revenue)
.......................
/debate
· 950M Revenue
· 420M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
· 530M Total Expenses (diff between the top 2 bullets)
· 340M Expenses minus Player pay
· 610M The bullet above minus the top bullet gives us our “Revenue after expenses” (not including player pay.) This is the figure that should be fairly compared to the UFC's company/athlete split imo)
· 190M Player pay (20% of revenue – 31% of Revenue after expenses)
The UFC's percentage goes up "after expenses" as well, but all the comparisons are being done off of the archaic "total revenue" figure, as if the expenses of running the UFC would be exactly equal to a fooseball team.
intimate financial information about 2015 was presented July 22, 2016 in a 58 page Lender Presentation for potential investors. (the celebrities that bought in) So here's what I'm considering the best numbers from inside the UFC that we've ever had.
· 609M Revenue (earnings before expenses)
· 307M Expenses (not including fighter pay)
· 302M Revenue after expenses (The difference between the 2 bullets above)
· 113M Fighter pay (18.6% of Revenue – 37% of Revenue after expenses)
· 189M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
This paints a much different picture of this debate yeah?
I’ve found a few articles that say 2/3 of revenue is from broadcast deals and 1/3 from ticket revenue. They also say ticket revenue is also split with players. Can you link me some proof of what you’re saying.
Not true. Let's take the NFL for example. There are 32 teams, each team has a roster of 53 plus practice squad. Each team has its own stadium many times owned by the city. Each team pays for it's own expenses but also gets revenue from sales at the stadium, They have multiple TV deals (CBS, FOX, NBC, and ESPN). The UFC has to do it all and only has the ESPN deal. It's an apples to oranges comparison when trying to compare them to leagues Like the NFL, NBA, and MLB.
I enjoy watching the UFC as a whole, but don't care about any one fighter at all. I daresay most of the UFC's viewership are the same. Looking at it that way, how the UFC invests its profits makes perfect sense.
Sherdoggers are an outlier of hardcores who are actually fans of individual fighters and guys who train down at the local MMA gym who have dreams of fighting in the UFC themselves one day. Such people will always agitate for higher fighter pay.
This is true, the reason why Woodley was chosen to fight Jake Paul was because he was a UFC champ. If he was a One champ he wouldn’t have been selected.
Going by this dumb ass logic, Lorenzo and Frank deserve 90% of whatever Dana makes for the rest of his life.
If MMA had the equivalent of the Ali act, the UFC's revenue split would be illegal. The majority of the money the UFC generates is going to Endeavor to pay down its debt load because most of its other assets tanked during the pandemic.
I won't even get deep into the bullshit about Dana "building" anything. The only thing that he did was convince Lorenzo to block the unified rules from getting ratified in Nevada so the Fertittas could screw Bob Meyrowitz and Campbell Mclaren out of the company.
I am a student of rhetoric, and this was nicely done. I will, however, offer this rebuttal. Dana didn't build that stage. People like Rorion Gracie, Art Davie, and Bob Meyrowitz did. The Fertittas stole it out from underneath them. Lorenzo was the head of NSAC when they denied the UFC's event permits, thus contributing directly to money flow problems, which forced Semaphore Entertainment Group to sell to...Zuffa. The Fertittas learned such strong arm tactics from their mafia connected father. Dana is merely the caporegime who ran this hustle for them, and now for Ari, who comes from a different kind of mob mentality.
- Fighter Pay –
The “other sports pay 50% to athletes” myth
Is everyone aware that fooseball team owners make money outside of their 49% split? So if you insist on comparing the UFC's "total Revenue" to fighter pay you must do the same to the sport you're comparing it too.
Here's a quick wake up call for everyone parroting this ridiculous figure. ALL REVENUE A FOOSEBALL TEAM MAKES FROM THEIR STADIUM IS A PART OF THE OWNER'S PROFITS... and NOT shared with the athletes. Read that again please... & then lets take a look at the Dallas Cowboy's split once you add in TOTAL REVENUE.
Dallas Cowboys 2018 season (well before Covid made them lose profits)
950M Revenue
190M Player pay (20% of revenue)
.......................
/debate
· 950M Revenue
· 420M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
· 530M Total Expenses (diff between the top 2 bullets)
· 340M Expenses minus Player pay
· 610M The bullet above minus the top bullet gives us our “Revenue after expenses” (not including player pay.) This is the figure that should be fairly compared to the UFC's company/athlete split imo)
· 190M Player pay (20% of revenue – 31% of Revenue after expenses)
The UFC's percentage goes up "after expenses" as well, but all the comparisons are being done off of the archaic "total revenue" figure, as if the expenses of running the UFC would be exactly equal to a fooseball team.
intimate financial information about 2015 was presented July 22, 2016 in a 58 page Lender Presentation for potential investors. (the celebrities that bought in) So here's what I'm considering the best numbers from inside the UFC that we've ever had.
· 609M Revenue (earnings before expenses)
· 307M Expenses (not including fighter pay)
· 302M Revenue after expenses (The difference between the 2 bullets above)
· 113M Fighter pay (18.6% of Revenue – 37% of Revenue after expenses)
· 189M EBITDA (Company profit before before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization)
This paints a much different picture of this debate yeah?
All revenue goes into the salary cap. That includes stadium revenue. But the more money an individual team makes on revenue that isn’t shared the more money that franchise gets to keep (assuming expenses are the same).
And yes, the ufc is like the cowboys and yankees of mma….
If the fighters had their sponsorship money, I would shut my big mouth. Dana went into an area that's been traditionally the fighters (sponsors in combat sports) and grifted that revenue stream. Got to give it to him, he's a clever and greedy bastard.
I enjoy watching the UFC as a whole, but don't care about any one fighter at all. I daresay most of the UFC's viewership are the same. Looking at it that way, how the UFC invests its profits makes perfect sense.
Sherdoggers are an outlier of hardcores who are actually fans of individual fighters and guys who train down at the local MMA gym who have dreams of fighting in the UFC themselves one day. Such people will always agitate for higher fighter pay.
Mac life are such "on their knees" type of journalist's.
He came with prepared notes, mostly name called,Start's off with I don't give a shit then proceeds to go off on a 15 minute rant, continued throughout to say he "doesn't give a shit" while ranting with his face going redder and redder, once again say's the only telling statement - "you don't like how we do business go start your own mma company" (he said the same thing a while back when asked about the crypto deal and fighters' not receiving any of that 175 million $$$), say's were like the nfl and people get paid a lot of money but the ufc is not and most of the fighters don't get paid a lot.
And starts off the "question period" with "Any questions about this sack of shit and his lying?" then proceeds to bring up issues with oscar that have nothing to do with the fighter pay in the ufc the proceeds to play victim by saying something about "if I lied you'd crucify me."
Gets asked about the 16-18% revenue and then answers with a question then proceeds to state "none of your business". If it wasn't true then why lash out at a reporter during your "question period".
Oh, can someone asked him why he asked his buddy trump to kill the Ali Act being applied to mma.
That rant doesn’t no. Oscar probably made a loss on the Chuck vs Tito event so the fact he paid them anything is probably not an argument in Dana’s favour
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