Media Does this end the fighter pay talk for you?

[brownsmith76]

Actually I am not that kind of guy.

If the UFC brought out cameras and did backyard fights or street fights, you would watch.

You said you would watch whatever the UFC produces.

It sounds like you care more about the brand name instead of the quality of the product.

Well, then you are very easy to please, and this debate is over.

 

[TorontoTO]

There are still differences between what most boxing does and the UFC. Most boxing shows are organized so that the promoter handles the talent and the event, and then they receive revenue by licensing out the broadcast rights of that event. That's why the presentation for an event on Shotime will look different than if it's on HBO, even if it's the same promoter. The UFC handles it's own production. Which means what most boxing organizations have a pure revenue actually has an expense for a UFC event. Now, obviously, the UFC gets compensated for the broadcast rights, but if that compensation exceeds what a boxing promoter gets after the costs of the production isn't known, as far as I've seen. However, the blanket % of revenue numbers are not directly comparable, because there are costs associated with each organization that are different.

This is true when comparing Bellator's revenue split with the UFC as well. Bellator is selling it's broadcast rights to it's parent company, for an amount that I'm sure is the most beneficial to that parent company from an accounting standpoint. Which means it's revenue is whatever Paramount wants to pay Bellator, plus ticket sales. They could theoretically have a system worked out where Paramount pays a flat percentage above talent compensation and brag about how big a piece of the pie fighters are getting. But that doesn't mean Bellator's worth is only the number that Paramount is willing to account.

This isn't to say that I don't want fighters to make more money. I do. But these arguments about revenue split are not the end all be all of the conversation. There are plenty of things that the UFC does that aren't factors in other sports or even other leagues. The enhanced USADA drug testing is one example. Bellator just lets the commission handle that. Health insurance is another. And the aforementioned production costs. It's a false equivalency to look at just a percentage of revenue and assume one side isn't paying enough. DWTNCS was paying guys 5k to show, 5k to win in 2017, and I think it's higher now. Bellator had guys fighting 2 weeks ago for 3k/3k. It isn't going to change until there is another place people can go to make money, and it wouldn't matter to a guy at that level what the revenue split is if he's going to get nearly the same show money from one organization as he would show+win from another.

It's still 5K/5K for Contender Series

 

[DestinedAussie]

If the UFC brought out cameras and did backyard fights or street fights, you would watch.

You said you would watch whatever the UFC produces.

It sounds like you care more about the brand name instead of the quality of the product.

Well, then you are very easy to please, and this debate is over.

The UFC has a quality bar to get over in order to keep it's brand worthwhile. Just like any other brand. You know there is bar to get into the UFC.

The idea that the UFC would stage a random backyard fight is laughable. The production level of the UFC and quality of fighters is the UFC is well beyond any other promotion.

Maintaining brand value is a huge part of Dana's job. I am sorry you seem so offended that UFC has created a loyal viewership.

You also care more about UFC, since you are saying UFC pay more, not fighters move to other promotions and get. a better deal. The simple fact is an event the UFC runs would sell way way more than Bellator with the exact same two fighters.

 

[SirRealKiller]

His point is pretty legit, go do it yourself and create the competition. While the UFC is the highest paid promotion by a distance in MMA as a business they have little reason too pay more.

It is clear from published numbers that UFC pay is increasing which is a good thing. Honestly nothing but competition paying more will change things. As a whole I think most UFC fighters are happy with pay and the ones speaking out are generally at the top of the card. I mean everyone wants more pay, but at the end of the day UFC seems to be able to make any fight it wants (unlike boxing).

Here's the thing.

Look at the medical industry. People rag on them too, like drug companies. But there's massive overhead in research to develop drugs. So people point out that it costs them 50 cents to make a pill and they charge $50 per pill and say they are ripping people off. The thing is they probably spent billions in research and development over a decade or more to develop that.

Same applies to the UFC, like he said they built a huge platform for MMA. It cost a shit ton of money to build it and they keep expanding it.

People talk about they only pay the fighters 16-20% of revenue. Does nobody have a fucking clue about business? Typical businesses have costs roughly 40-50% of revenue. So that leaves 50-60% for profits. You take out 20% for development, that leaves 30-40%. You pay fighters 18% that leaves 12-22% profit for the owners. IDK, that seems pretty fair to me.

 

[DestinedAussie]

Here's the thing.

Look at the medical industry. People rag on them too, like drug companies. But there's massive overhead in research to develop drugs. So people point out that it costs them 50 cents to make a pill and they charge $50 per pill and say they are ripping people off. The thing is they probably spent billions in research and development over a decade or more to develop that.

Same applies to the UFC, like he said they built a huge platform for MMA. It cost a shit ton of money to build it and they keep expanding it.

People talk about they only pay the fighters 16-20% of revenue. Does nobody have a fucking clue about business? Typical businesses have costs roughly 40-50% of revenue. So that leaves 50-60% for profits. You take out 20% for development, that leaves 30-40%. You pay fighters 18% that leaves 12-22% profit for the owners. IDK, that seems pretty fair to me.

Adding the cost of the servicing the massive debt (over 2 billion) to this which was used to build the UFC into what it is today.

 

[chiefwiggum]

It’s like a Serial rapist judging a date rapist.

 

[greatsantini]

Here's the thing.

Look at the medical industry. People rag on them too, like drug companies. But there's massive overhead in research to develop drugs. So people point out that it costs them 50 cents to make a pill and they charge $50 per pill and say they are ripping people off. The thing is they probably spent billions in research and development over a decade or more to develop that.

Same applies to the UFC, like he said they built a huge platform for MMA. It cost a shit ton of money to build it and they keep expanding it.

People talk about they only pay the fighters 16-20% of revenue. Does nobody have a fucking clue about business? Typical businesses have costs roughly 40-50% of revenue. So that leaves 50-60% for profits. You take out 20% for development, that leaves 30-40%. You pay fighters 18% that leaves 12-22% profit for the owners. IDK, that seems pretty fair to me.

This reminded me of this article on how the public thinks the average profit is much higher than it typically is. (the average net profit for a company across industries is 7.5% and the mean average was 6.5%. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-...-36-profit-margin-which-is-about-5x-too-high/

 

[WarDronx]

So many boot-lickers and fake "tough guys". No wonder things don't get better in any part of life. Sad and pathetic.

 

[Oz.Pride]

I swear everybody who cries about "only 16-20% revenue" also thinks AOC is a hero for wearing a tax the rich dress to the MET Gala

 

[DebtCollectorMMA]

Dana could sell a bridge

 

[The Fat Mexican]

Dana White's logic?
He's my son and I'm beating the shit out of him.

If you're not happy with it, find a girl, have kids and don't beat them

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Both are slimeballs.

 

[badascan]

The fighters are under contract so this 16% could be more like 80% if the public stopped watching events right? The percentage isn't important is it?

If the UFC all of a sudden started selling ten times the ppvs at $500 a piece and sign a new Rebok deal for 10 billion and a deal with John Paul to advertise his YouTube channel on the mats for 100billion then fighter pay would hypothetically be something like .002% of revenue right?

 

[Reverse Baratoplata Sweep]

I believe average ufc fighter gets bigger cut than in other leagues/combat sports. The only ones to complain are top stars but whatever, ufc are the ones who made them in the first place. Problem I see is that ufc uses dirty tactics to monopolize mma but .
btw Uncle Dana needs to chill the fuck down. I though he is gonna have a heart attack right there.

 

[Fraz]

Yes since watching the video I've done a complete 180, I believe all fighter pay must be quartered.

 

[DestinedAussie]

The fighters are under contract so this 16% could be more like 80% if the public stopped watching events right? The percentage isn't important is it?

If the UFC all of a sudden started selling ten times the ppvs at $500 a piece and sign a new Rebok deal for 10 billion and a deal with John Paul to advertise his YouTube channel on the mats for 100billion then fighter pay would hypothetically be something like .002% of revenue right?

Yeah the UFC assume all the risk and all the debt that go them to this point.

 

[DoNoootin]

No.
All it proves is that he pays better than Oscar De La Hoya lol. Who cares. Boxing in general pays boxers very well when they get even remotely known. Oscar De La Hoya is obviously a shit promoter and businessman. That proves only that. It's like, a business paying an employee below minimum wage, then pointing to slave labour to prove your pay is good.

Nick Diaz is a star and didn't he get like 60k for that last fight? That's dog shit. He hasn't fought in 6 years and probably won't fight again for another year at least... so, after tax he'll take home like 40k or something? 40k per year is a shit wage. And it won't even be per year as he doesn't fight often, which isn't Dana or the UFC's fault, but pretending like that's good money... Nah. I suppose if he fought like thrice a year he'd be on like 120k which is decent money, not to be snuffed at, but for someone as big as he is, bringing as much eyeballs to the sport as he? Dogshit.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Only if your a moron . Talking about how Oscar fucks over his fighters has nothing to do with the fact the UFC allocates 16-20% of revenue(ya know what was revealed in the lawsuit) to fighters and when Dana White was asked about that by a reporter(after those pathetic soft ball questions from that Mac Life cuck) around the 10 minute mark he ducked the question and came up with excuses.

Who cares. It is cucked to care

Do you care about your own pay so much? If you dont like it go start your own business

 

[Lee_]

Where was all of this public outcry when the UFC was 40 million in debt?

Well, that isn't the most airtight logic. Of course no one was mad about low pay when they had no money to pay. The point is, they now do have the money to pay, and they aren't.

 

[Lee_]

Here's the thing.

Look at the medical industry. People rag on them too, like drug companies. But there's massive overhead in research to develop drugs. So people point out that it costs them 50 cents to make a pill and they charge $50 per pill and say they are ripping people off. The thing is they probably spent billions in research and development over a decade or more to develop that.

Same applies to the UFC, like he said they built a huge platform for MMA. It cost a shit ton of money to build it and they keep expanding it.

People talk about they only pay the fighters 16-20% of revenue. Does nobody have a fucking clue about business? Typical businesses have costs roughly 40-50% of revenue. So that leaves 50-60% for profits. You take out 20% for development, that leaves 30-40%. You pay fighters 18% that leaves 12-22% profit for the owners. IDK, that seems pretty fair to me.

So- if we don't agree with Dana, we don't understand business?

Drug companies charge WAY MORE than their research costed, and charge way more in some countries when they can get away with it; they make astronomical profits. As far as percentage of revenue, that is silly to throw all businesses together in terms of profit percentages. Legit pro sports pay close to half of the revenue, and well they should. Those who are out there getting CTE are the only reason anyone pays to watch, and they deserve a large portion of the revenue.