Media Does this end the fighter pay talk for you?

I dont get it. To me paying the workers 10% of the revenue Sounds pretty normal in a lot of big businesses.

Mma is also a relatively high-paid sport, where the UFC fighters Are by far the highest paid.
 
Lemmy Caution said:
His point isn't legit and I haven't heard his point. Anything less than a 50-50 revenue share is not legit. The major leagues would still pay far more than the minor leagues even if they only paid 16% of the revenue.

Of course it's better, but they do not deserve credit for paying 16% of the revenue in salaries.

Agreed. It's obvious that the UFC is run by evil cunts.

McDonald's workers not speaking out makes you think they are happy making $8.50-9.00/h?

"No-name" UFC fighters not speaking out could not have to do with the fact that they have a vindictive and abusive boss?
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They are a business. What do you expect them to do? Pay more for no reason.

Comparing to major sports leagues who have billions more in revenue and don't have production costs when it comes to revenue share is dumb. The lakers local TV deal alone is worth a billion. Major sports leagues in Australia have 20-30% revenue share and they have a similar amount of revenue to the UFC (and they also don't have the production costs the UFC has).

On the mcdonalds workers, there are plenty of options in the market to get higher pay. They can pay that because there are so many people happy to work for that wage. I personally wouldn't, but each person has their own reasons for taking a job.

The UFC has shareholders and are trying to run a profitable business. I honestly don't know what a fair number is because you can't see the UFC books to see exactly where they spend money. Regardless if they are paying the most, as a business what incentive do they have to pay more?
 


Hating on Dana White and UFC fighter pay, is one of the golden rules to be a part of the nerd pack on UFC forums.

This video should be made a automatic first reply to any thread where a guy start to whine and moan about fighter pay and Dana White.

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Dana shows that his business has higher expenses, but it's pretty dumb comparing what the UFC can afford to pay fighters and saying De La Hoya pays less.

Of course De La Hoya pays less, his revenue is infinitely lower.

What De La Hoya would argue is PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE.

Dana doesn't address that properly, but there's no question the expenses would be the meat and potatos of his argument.
 
This should be settled the NHB 90's way;

In the blue corner, a former Pro Boxer, he's got a huge coke habit and a drinking problem, Olympic gold medalist and 6-division champion who fought at 154lbs... he's emotionally batshit crazy.

In the red corner, a former Boxercize instructor with an alleged amateur boxing career that no one can find any records of, he's got anger management issues and is juiced to the gills, a 220lb+ narcissist.

FIGHT!
 
eternal403 said:


It's never been an issue for me as I've always understood this, but does this end the debate for you?

Epic rant by Dana. Fuck Oscar.

Hopefully not reposted.
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How come nobody brings up the fact that the UFC takes the fighters sponsor money and gives them Reebok (now Venom dollars)? In boxing the fighter gets to keep that revenue stream. To give context, Brendan Schaub says he was getting paid over 100k per fight from sponsors. It's not just low pay, it's no sponsors, no health benefits, no profit sharing, no pensions, no long term health insurance. Dana is a very good businessman, very good.
 
Lights Out 101 said:
16% of revenue
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I think it can and should be higher. But it's already a higher percentage of revenue than some other individual based sports, for example tennis, where about 14% is paid out to athletes. And the roughly 50% revenue split of the team based sports seems difficult to attain. A much more realistic goal for the UFC would be the PGA's payout of just over 30% to its players.
 
Bowel-forged Stool said:
Fighter pay has never been an issue for anyone until they are standing on a platform Dana built for them
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Going by this dumb ass logic, Lorenzo and Frank deserve 90% of whatever Dana makes for the rest of his life.

If MMA had the equivalent of the Ali act, the UFC's revenue split would be illegal. The majority of the money the UFC generates is going to Endeavor to pay down its debt load because most of its other assets tanked during the pandemic.

I won't even get deep into the bullshit about Dana "building" anything. The only thing that he did was convince Lorenzo to block the unified rules from getting ratified in Nevada so the Fertittas could screw Bob Meyrowitz and Campbell Mclaren out of the company.
 
dana prepared hard for this (not just him, this was his companies best effort to address the issue) and he absolutely and utterly shit the bed. He employed so many logical fallacies it gave me an aneurysm.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
How come nobody brings up the fact that the UFC takes the fighters sponsor money and gives them Reebok (now Venom dollars)? In boxing the fighter gets to keep that revenue stream. To give context, Brendan Schaub says he was getting paid over 100k per fight from sponsors. It's not just low pay, it's no sponsors, no health benefits, no profit sharing, no pensions, no long term health insurance. Dana is a very good businessman, very good.
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Solid point, except that the UFC completely undersold its advertising rights if Schaub is to be believed. The UFC would have made more money simply taking 20% of fighters in-cage advertising earnings as some sort of bullshit administrative fee. So the UFC both missed out on potential income and undercut the potential earnings they offered to prospective fighters and only gained uniforms that were unpopular with fans.

In other words, I think you were right to point to the Reebok deal as a blow to fighters, but wrong to suggest it was a good business deal for the UFC. It was lose-lose.
 
Carrotman23 said:
Only if your a moron . Talking about how Oscar fucks over his fighters has nothing to do with the fact the UFC allocates 16-20% of revenue(ya know what was revealed in the lawsuit) to fighters and when Dana White was asked about that by a reporter(after those pathetic soft ball questions from that Mac Life cuck) around the 10 minute mark he ducked the question and came up with excuses.
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Actually he didn't make any excuses at all. Did you watch the video?

He said "It's none of your or anyone else's business". He also said if people don't like how he is paying his fighters they can go start their own org and pay whatever they want.

He also made a really good point. He asked if the reporter knew exactly how much fighters were being paid. He said ask them, any of them can come forward and say what they are making. We bitch far more than the fighters do.

In fact the only fighters that bitch are the ones the UFC released or the highly paid ones like Masvidal, Jones, Conor and Ngannou that are always whining for more.

And yes 16-20% of revenue is to fighters. Do you know the breakdown of their 450 employee salaries are? Their capital costs? The cut the networks take? USADA testing?

I'm not saying fighters shouldn't get more, after all they are the ones in the cage but unless you have a clear understanding of the UFC's business model (which you don't, none of us do) then perhaps you should just go online and ask a bunch of UFC fighters how much they are being paid.

Sounds easy right?
 
If these fighters want more they should band together and do something about it but since they dont I assume they dont care enough to change it so if they dont care why should I?
 
Hardshins said:
I know Dana is an elite level boxerciser but he needs to show some respect to Oscar. He's a shit head but he's still the golden boy and won titles in six different weight classes. It's weird that Dana is talking about how much he hates him.
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They were friends before, it's personal between them.
 
Through The Looking Glass said:
He makes some good points I hadnt considered. Seems like they have way too many expenses though, and are spending a shit load of money on stuff like these super gyms etc that I cant really imagine helping guys who are already on the roster and already have gyms/coaches.
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The super gyms are in developing countries in terms of mma. So it would be better than what they have available in terms of gym/equipment/science. But in terms of coaching/training that is subjective. They have those gyms in developing countries to try and produce talent from that area. They created super gyms in Vegas because that's their headquarters and they wanted their own space to have fights that was bigger than what they had before. Worked out for them perfectly during the pandemic once the State allowed sporting events again. They did everything in-house. Plus most events are in Vegas so a lot of fighters would be traveling to the area even if they don't have a fight and can train at the gym and take advantage of all the stuff at the gym they have for fighters. Plus it gives everyone fighting on the card a place to train leading up to the fight, having 2 locations lets them be able to separate competing fighters as they prepare to fight each other as well.
 
Everyone throws out the 16-20% revenue number, which sounds bad. But, you have to put it in context with what their other expenses are. The put on at least 50 events per year, which costs alot of money. They have payroll costs for their employees. They have marketing expenses. They have invested in training facilities. They have travel expenses. They pay taxes, etc... it's not as if they are just pocketing the other 80% of the revenues.
 
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