Does Stefan Struve even have a big reach advantage?

[wearetheromans]

Considering the UFC can't even measure someone's height properly, I think we should take their reach measurements with a grain of salt

 

[michi972]

1. His hand Reach advantage increases, because opponents need to Reach higher to hit him
2. He Has huge reach advantage with kicks

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

Yes but NBA guys are A level bodies

 

[mxer31]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

he has the longest reach in the ufc and your are asking if he has a reach advantage? for fuck sakes man. dont make us sherdoggers look tht fuckin stupid

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Reach does also depend quite alot on how broad someone sholders are and Struve is actually less broad than some of the other names being mentioned(Lesnar espeically) so will have more of an edge in arm lenght.

You could argue I spose that peoples judgement of Struve has always tended to relate him to Semmy due to similar body types and both coming from the Neathlands. They underestimate how good Schilt was technically to exploit his reach in that fashion, very accurate straight counters, good use of knees and front kicks.

There were other massive guys in K-1 like Jan Nortje who were never able to exploit massive size/reach as effectively.

 

[Iron Nick]

This is why Rogan's propaganda bullshit about basketballer's having the same success in MMA is bullshit. They are all basically ectomorphs and probably couldn't strike properly to save their lives.

Basketball players all have a ridiculously good hand-eye-coordination, which translates to great talent in striking.
A good chunk of them are also very athletic.

 

[Iron Nick]

Being tall as f*ck helps gives you a reach advantages as well, so yes - Struve DOES have a big reach advantage all things considered.

 

[spannered]

Basketball players all have a ridiculously good hand-eye-coordination, which translates to great talent in striking.
A good chunk of them are also very athletic.

I'm not so sure. Shooting a ball into a hoop is nothing like punching a person before the face before they unload one on you.

Each to their own. All the tall b-ball players I know aren't particularly athletic. I've, no speed, reflexes or traditional elements that would make one 'athletic'.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

There are those who fight long... John Jonesque

Then there’s Struve with an 84” reach who fights Lobovesque

It’s always been absolutely baffling to me, I’ve seen him an person, he’s obviously a giant of a man, his head is literally the size of a beer cooler...lol. I’m going to apologize for the long ass response, but I’ve always pondered what Struve could’ve been in MMA, his length and his frame, he actually did have an exceptional chin at one time. I always thought with a different camp he could’ve been an incredible fighter. Anyway this is the reason I’ve always kinda pulled for Struve, maybe it’s empathy due to witnessing his significant traumatic event.

I saw him fight live, in 2013 IIRC it was a Fuel TV card Wandy versus Stann at Saitama Super Arena. I’ll never forget, we were 17 rows off of the floor, low enough to hear yammering of the coaches during the fights, the Japanese crowds are silent, they won’t cheer unless the fight ends or somebody just got finished off... and they just clap, maybe an eww or ahh, but no yelling, the old Pride events if you hear screams it is always the idiot Gaijin. I’ll digress Struve was fighting 5’10” Mark Hunt, the fight was pretty uneventful from the start, a few takedowns, nothing significant and finally made it into the third frame. You could tell Hunto was beginning to find his range, sadly for Struve he was getting tired and started to let his hands drop... then out of no where Hunt connects with the right hook, the shot was barely audible to me, but the follow up left hook sounded Paul fucking Bunyon splitting a huge piece of wood with his axe, that sound when you know you just found that sweet spot and just blasted right through the target... it was that loud, I’m amazed that it actually didn’t put Struve to sleep. The very next day I’m on Sherdog and see threads about Struve’s jaw with the x-rays, it didn’t surprise me at all.

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

A 4 inch height advantage is roughly equivalent to a 1 inch reach advantage.

So unless there's somebody who's 6'8" with an 83 inch reach, then yes he has a reach advantage over everyone in the UFC.

 

[Legumes]

Physics diagram needed. Yes, to an extent because he has head reach advantage but punches down. Reach is negated in crouching.

But it is such a misleading stat anyway as what advantage is leg length and so on.

Some boxing stats are unnecessary in MMA.

Measuring reach with fingers extended is also misleading in my opinion. You don't strike(except Nate's stockton slap) with the ends of your fingers, so it's somewhat irrelevant.

 

[Fedor5723]

During the Volk and Max fight Cruz said a reach advantage with a height disadvantage is the biggest advantage.

 

[true_fan]

He is just not athletic type and very bad fight IQ

 

[Bacco]

He have reach advantage over almost anybody else, and he have to punch his opponents downward while they have to reply upward

He have advantage, he just does'nt make it count

 

[Pepy]

Basketball players all have a ridiculously good hand-eye-coordination, which translates to great talent in striking.
A good chunk of them are also very athletic.

I am pals with a guy that did like 7 seasons in NBA

After the retirement he decided to pick up boxing. Fastest progression I have ever seen despite being way past his athletic prime and like 6 ft 7

 

[snugglecakes]

T-Rex Struve confirmed

 

[Iron Nick]

I am pals with a guy that did like 7 seasons in NBA

After the retirement he decided to pick up boxing. Fastest progression I have ever seen despite being way past his athletic prime and like 6 ft 7

I can imagine!

If you've got great hand-eye-coordination you're good at everything that involves things that move and reacting to them, so it's only logical to me that great ballers always have at least the talent required to become great at striking.

A friend of mine was a pro basketballer as well (not in the NBA though) and even though he was ~250 lbs or so at the time, he was a decent soccer player as well without having had nearly as much experience as basically everyone else in our team.

He boxes too as a hobby, but i haven't seen him yet, but i imagine he's very good there (in relation to his experience) as well.

 

[Straatblaffer]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

Yeah, but you forget his reach with leg kicks. Also, he is very tall, so hard to hit (in the face).

 

[superpunch]

Yeah, but you forget his reach with leg kicks. Also, he is very tall, so hard to hit (in the face).

I don't think Struve is athletically capable of balancing on one leg. So he can't kick.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Yes but NBA guys are A level bodies

An A level body just got KTFO by a Youtuber.