Does Stefan Struve even have a big reach advantage?

[A.S. Deep]

Failed?
You see that's the problem with the mma fanbase... they have such narrow vision... Jon Jones is not being called GOAT and reigned as champ breaking records because of his reach... he is that good... is is very good at what he does...

Struve if he had 4 arms like Goru in mortal kombat would still not be champ. he's just not skilled enough...

Anyway, in combat sports 4 inches is a huge reach advantage.. 3 is a big.. this isn't a debate, it's fact. 2 inches is a decent average advantage, 1 inch is nothing worth changing your game plan over.

4 inches is already longer than average height of an adult male fist.

I forget which one of Jones' opponents said this, but they remarked how even if Jones had a short reach (like <75inches), he'd still be champ.

Ugh, I wish I could remember who said that haha.

 

[AmericanUppercut]

He's 7' tall. He has an 84" reach.

For comparison:
Jon Jones has an 84.5" reach.
Overeem has an 80" reach.
Brock Lesnar: 81"
Ngannou: 83"
JDS: 79"
Black Beast: 79"
Gane: 82"
Stipe: 80"

Everyone said he always he never learned to use his reach, and that's why he failed to reach his potential. But, at HW, he actually doesn't have that much of a reach advantage. He's 7' tall. But he only has 7' long arms. A 1:1 ape index. Everyone else in the division may be shorter, but they're rocking 1.2:1 ape indexes and stuff.

For comparison, I've seen guys his height in the NBA that have 92" reaches.

So, maybe the reason Struve never learned to use his huge reach is.. because he doesn't actually have a huge reach?

Sounds about correct.
His shoulders are higher so he loses a little reach(slight) punching down and not straight out.
Then again his opponents also lose a little punching up for headshots
He does have good leg reach advantage however.

 

[SirRealKiller]

I forget which one of Jones' opponents said this, but they remarked how even if Jones had a short reach (like <75inches), he'd still be champ.

Ugh, I wish I could remember who said that haha.

Well, he may still be the champ and just having a long reach doesn't make someone good but when someone is really good and know how to use that reach it's major reason why they dominate.

 

[superpunch]

Sounds about correct.
His shoulders are higher so he loses a little reach(slight) punching down and not straight out.
Then again his opponents also lose a little punching up for headshots
He does have good leg reach advantage however.

I vaguely remember that guys like Ngannou have roughly the same leg length as him.

 

[Dorkman]

It's not at all average. Most men have longer wingspans than their height. A 1:1 ape index is pretty bad. Most 7' guys probably have around a 90" reach. Semmy Schilt is 6'11" and has an 88" reach.

Google search lead to a USA today article stating average for males is 2 inches longer than their height. So it's not super far off a 1:1. So Struve at 6'11" does appear to have a slightly below average reach for his height category based off of that. Now how accurate said articale is, or whether or not that notion even applies to a human male at 7 feet tall is beyond me. So take it with a grain of salt.

 

[TheBulge]

There is a diffirence in wingspan and arm length. You can have very long arms but very narrow shoulders and your wingspan stat would be brought down.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

I forget which one of Jones' opponents said this, but they remarked how even if Jones had a short reach (like <75inches), he'd still be champ.

Ugh, I wish I could remember who said that haha.

What he did to chael when they fought can't be forgotten... he just walked forward disregarding any reach advantage he had, he let chael spam anything grappling and wrestling he knew and purposely ate all his shots just walking forward putting him down grabbing his wrest behind his head and landing elbows at will.

That's just crazy...

When bones choked machida standing.. he didnt use any gaurd, didn't take him down, no other leverage needed.. you'd think machida was the bjj novice and bones was black belt but it was the other way around. just grabbed it on the wall and cranked...

and the take downs on dc.. like holy fuck, the man was a former olympian and olympic coach, and was slamming HWs in mma, then jones beats him in every area possible in wrestling... no reach can help you with that.

 

[Harlekin]

Adesanya had a 7 inch reach advantage on Romero.
But still was too afraid to engage on a standing still opponent

 

[superpunch]

Adesanya had a 7 inch reach advantage on Romero.
But still was too afraid to engage on a standing still opponent

Afraid and taking advantage of Romero's neck immobility from his old neck injury are 2 different things. That was cerebral. It's such an obvious gameplan and no one did it until Adesanya. Very smart fighter.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

This subject has been thoroughly studied and human arm span is pretty damn close to their height on average:

There is a slightly higher ratio for men but we are talking hundredths.

Now, if talking about certain sports it would probably change. If you studied basketball players or boxers or maybe MMA fighters you'd probably find they would be on average higher than this. But it's a well known and studied fact that average people have arm spans roughly equal to their height.

Yes,

However, once arm span becomes greater than ones height, they enter the “Ape Index” scale. And it goes up the more your arm reach exceeds your height. This is directly related to an increased ability in sport's.

Da Vinci studied this as well with the image of the “Vitruviun Man”

 

[Huligani]

It's not an advantage if you don't know how to use it. Struve never knew how to use his reach.

 

[blaccbeard]

They are not standing in the middle of the octagon in a T-pose and rotating until either are knocked out.

This visual got me cryin laughin for some reason.

 

[KeyboardFighter]

He has such a huge reach he can give himself a reach around. That is some serious reach tbh.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Leonardo Da Vinci's ideal man picture shows a 1:1 ape index. But we measured it in school once senior year, almost every guy had a wingspan 5" longer than his height. Some a bit more than that. I was the odd man out in the entire class with a 1:1 ape index. And this was a school of about 70% white guys and 29% asian guys. Most guys aren't the ideal man like me.

Every guy in your senior class except you would have been champ if they lifted, drank that acai, and watched a few Bas Rutten bar fighting DVDs.

 

[spannered]

It's not at all average. Most men have longer wingspans than their height. A 1:1 ape index is pretty bad. Most 7' guys probably have around a 90" reach. Semmy Schilt is 6'11" and has an 88" reach.

Struve has a very narrow shoulder width. He is the definition of an ectomorph, which is the worst build for general athleticism.

The guy can't use his reach advantage properly because he doesn't have the reflexes and fast twitch build to keep at range and snap his punches as quickly as his more athletic peers.

Jones is a good example. He is a mesomorph freakishly long arms and he is a master at using his range because he has the athletic ability to use it.

This is why Rogan's propaganda bullshit about basketballer's having the same success in MMA is bullshit. They are all basically ectomorphs and probably couldn't strike properly to save their lives.

 

[xn7]

They are not standing in the middle of the octagon in a T-pose and rotating until either are knocked out, they are fighting.
Struve has insanely long legs and if the man would have learned how to use his long legs, torso and arms in a single motion he would have been a fighting specimen thanks to his reach.

you forgot the part about him being completely unathletic and slow.

 

[alex1751]

Whites usually have the same reach as height and blacks about two inches bigger than height. Usually the blacker the guy the longer his reach compared to his height is.

 

[wearetheromans]

That's just not true.

I'll take the scientific article based on thousands of observations over your anecdotal recollection of something that happened in high school.

 

[wearetheromans]

Whites usually have the same reach as height and blacks about two inches bigger than height. Usually the blacker the guy the longer his reach compared to his height is.

C'mon what is this trash. Have any proof of that mumbo jumbo or just making shit out of your ass?

 

[JoshTehV]

The leg reach and torso length stats are out there. Struve, I remember, has the same torso length as Stipe. Stipe also has the same leg length as DC hahaha.

that shit makes no sense lol, like if that's true then how the fuck does DC even pack that weight on him with that frame