Does size and strength matter IE 6'5" Bradley Martyn beat Mike Perry?

[Da Speeit]

That video proves nothing. It's two guys around the same size fighting each other. Bradley is 6'5" 270lbs. He'll be fighting in a no rules street fight.

A street fight anything can happen, especially a man that size.

They are not remotely close in size, the guy getting his ass kicked is a 220lb football player.
You’re delusional

 

[Bapho96]

Trained doesn't guarantee you'll win in a street fight. So many factors come to play, there is no rules and the guy is like a 100lbs bigger and how much 8-9 inches taller?

I wouldn't underestimate a man that size who has brute strength and mass in his advantage. Remember it's a street fight not an MMA fight where there is rules.

This. When I was a teenager, I got mugged and wrestled the guy. Once we were on the ground, two of his friends kicked the shit out of me lol. I'm lucky I did not getseriously injured, as they stomped on my head. I don't think taking someone down in the streets is a good idea, because normally it's not a 1 vs 1 fight.

Another time I got into a fight with a guy who was some local kick boxing champion (we were both like 16-17 years old). He was an idiot and tried to intimidate people. I hit him first and the motherfucker just went into shell mode, being used to protect himself with the big gloves. He also threw useless and lazy front kicks that allowed me to take him down easily.

In any case, being proficient in any martial arts is an advantage. If you do MMA, you will beat 99% of people. But I do think that there are some "street" factors to take into account. Demetrious Johnson kills this guy though.

 

[Da Speeit]

Back to the “variables” bullshit. Getting hit by a 2x4 in Brazil doesnt speak to this discussion.
If Falcao shot the guy would he have “won” the fight?

 

[Da Speeit]

This. When I was a teenager, I got mugged and wrestled the guy. Once we were on the ground, two of his friends kicked the shit out of me lol. I'm lucky I did not getseriously injured, as they stomped on my head. I don't think taking someone down in the streets is a good idea, because normally it's not a 1 vs 1 fight.

Another time I got into a fight with a guy who was some local kick boxing champion (we were both like 16-17 years old). He was an idiot and tried to intimidate people. I hit him first and the motherfucker just went into shell mode, being used to protect himself with the big gloves. He also threw useless and lazy front kicks that allowed me to take him down easily.

In any case, being proficient in any martial arts is an advantage. If you do MMA, you will beat 99% of people. But I do think that there are some "street" factors to take into account. Demetrious Johnson kills this guy though.

We’re talking about people who can actually fight, not you

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

They are not remotely close in size, the guy getting his ass kicked is a 300lb football player.
You’re delusional

lol you're the one that's blind.

 

[Da Speeit]

lol you're the one that's blind.

When’s the last time you trained bud?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

When’s the last time you trained bud?

I haven't trained BJJ, but I have done Taekwondo, Karate, Boxing.

I've been in several street fights. And it's very unpredictable when there is no rules, regardless how trained you are imo.

 

[Da Speeit]

I haven't trained BJJ, regardless .

Yep, that’s why you dont know what you’re talking about

 

[Da Speeit]

I love the “no rules” emphasis lmao
Like some chubby drunk guy is like “you’re not safe since i can do 12-6 elbows bro! And you better not chill in turtle bc i can knee a downed opponent!”

 

[TribalDrumz]

That video proves nothing. It's two guys around the same size fighting each other. Bradley is 6'5" 270lbs. He'll be fighting in a no rules street fight.

A street fight anything can happen, especially a man that size.

Stick to fantasizing about Brad Pitt and shitty polls

 

[gspieler]

Back to the “variables” bullshit. Getting hit by a 2x4 in Brazil doesnt speak to this discussion.
If Falcao shot the guy would he have “won” the fight?

Uh, yes. "Winning" = being the dude that walks out with consciousness intact. And last time I checked, street fights don't have enforceable rules. And when there are no rules, weapons/numbers/environmental variables can be introduced to mitigate(but not erase) the trained guy's advantages. Thus, the more controlled a setting, the more advantageous it is to the trained guy.

But again, since you'll probably claim that I'm stating the untrained guy usually wins in the street; the untrained gets his ass handed to him regardless of context. The streets just give him a few outs, via numbers, weapons, slipping on some gravel, rolling an ankle on a curb, etc.

 

[Seismic]

What MMA "technique" can prevent a huge untrained man from doing this to a tiny MMA fighter? People really think there's absolutely nothing a civilian can do against someone who has 'trained' lol

 

[Da Speeit]

Uh, yes. "Winning" = being the dude that walks out with consciousness intact. And last time I checked, street fights don't have enforceable rules. And when there are no rules, weapons/numbers/environmental variables can be introduced to mitigate(but not erase) the trained guy's advantages. Thus, the more controlled a setting, the more advantageous it is to the trained guy.

But again, since you'll probably claim that I'm stating the untrained guy usually wins in the street; the untrained gets his ass handed to him regardless of context. The streets just give him a few outs, via numbers, weapons, slipping on some gravel, rolling an ankle on a curb, etc.

So why are we having this discussion?
Just get a gun.

 

[Da Speeit]

What MMA "technique" can prevent a huge untrained man from doing this to a tiny MMA fighter? People really think there's absolutely nothing a civilian can do against someone who has 'trained' lol

Hook your foot inside his shin, Sit your but to the floor and peel his hands.
If you think the average joe is an NCAA champion like Kevin Randleman, you might actually be retarded

 

[RoastBeast]

Never heard of this guy and I certainly don't believe anyone is putting up seven figures for him to fight Mike Perry.

 

[gspieler]

It's entirely possible he knows he'd get wreckt, and is doing it so guys like Paul name-drop him.

 

[gspieler]

So why are we having this discussion?
Just get a gun.

Put a guy like this douche vs some average135'er in the UFC, in an octagon, he loses 99/100. Have the same two fight in your average bar setting(pool cues, pool table, beer bottles, stools, forced close proximity to each other, etc) and he sneaks out the W 1/10 times or so. Just IMO.

 

[Madmick]

Then show me some videos of trained fighters losing in the streets. Only one i can think of is BJ and he ran that guy down and beat him into a coffin

LOL, show us a video of a guy getting his teeth broken with a forearm choke.

Been to a lot of gyms, had a lot of trainers. Never in my life have I heard that shit.

 

[Bullitt68]

What MMA "technique" can prevent a huge untrained man from doing this to a tiny MMA fighter? People really think there's absolutely nothing a civilian can do against someone who has 'trained' lol

Hook your foot inside his shin, Sit your but to the floor and peel his hands.
If you think the average joe is an NCAA champion like Kevin Randleman, you might actually be retarded

Seismic's point is a point worth making. Nobody with a brain would pick this guy to beat a trained fighter, even if he does have 100+ pounds on them, but if you don't think that it's even possible for him to fuck Mighty Mouse's or Nate Diazs' shit up then you're just ignorant. Remember, Gunnar Nelson got injured trying to armbar Thor, while Gordon Ryan is literally the GOAT - and he eats more horse meat than anyone who's ever been on a mat - and even he struggled with Thor and Martins Licis just due to the sheer physics of dealing with significant discrepancies in size and strength.

When I was a brand new, shiny-white-bealt-wearing, 170-pound teenager starting in BJJ, I rolled with a brown belt multiple time Judo and BJJ champ...she also happened to be a she, a small little Asian woman. My instructor told me not to close my guard if I was on the bottom (because she'd be too weak to get out of my guard) and to "take it easy." And I did. I probably had 50 pounds on her at most, but she did nothing to me, because she couldn't do anything to me, and I did nothing to her, because I could've done anything to her. I just focused on position rather than gorilla-ing kimuras out of her. Even still, I cleared her half guard half a dozen times in seconds, and just to try it I was in side mount with my right arm under her head and I used my left hand to reach across and pull her hips into me and I could've just kept her there no matter how much she tried to scramble on the bottom.

Size and strength are not the be all end all - Royce Gracie proved that to the world way back at UFC 1 - but to pretend that size and strength are nothing is just ignorant.

Now, having said all of that, if this dude ever steps on a mat with Mighty Mouse, I predict a Mighty Mouse arm drag to RNC or Imanari-style leg lock in under 60 seconds

 

[Da Speeit]

Seismic's point is a point worth making. Nobody with a brain would pick this guy to beat a trained fighter, even if he does have 100+ pounds on them, but if you don't think that it's even possible for him to fuck Mighty Mouse's or Nate Diazs' shit up then you're just ignorant. Remember, Gunnar Nelson got injured trying to armbar Thor, while Gordon Ryan is literally the GOAT - and he eats more horse meat than anyone who's ever been on a mat - and even he struggled with Thor and Martins Licis just due to the sheer physics of dealing with significant discrepancies in size and strength.

When I was a brand new, shiny-white-bealt-wearing, 170-pound teenager starting in BJJ, I rolled with a brown belt multiple time Judo and BJJ champ...she also happened to be a she, a small little Asian woman. My instructor told me not to close my guard if I was on the bottom (because she'd be too weak to get out of my guard) and to "take it easy." And I did. I probably had 50 pounds on her at most, but she did nothing to me, because she couldn't do anything to me, and I did nothing to her, because I could've done anything to her. I just focused on position rather than gorilla-ing kimuras out of her. Even still, I cleared her half guard half a dozen times in seconds, and just to try it I was in side mount with my right arm under her head and I used my left hand to reach across and pull her hips into me and I could've just kept her there no matter how much she tried to scramble on the bottom.

Size and strength are not the be all end all - Royce Gracie proved that to the world way back at UFC 1 - but to pretend that size and strength are nothing is just ignorant.

Now, having said all of that, if this dude ever steps on a mat with Mighty Mouse, I predict a Mighty Mouse arm drag to RNC or Imanari-style leg lock in under 60 seconds

BJJ Champ as in a blue belt who did some NAGAs or a blackbelt world champion? It could only be one of those, because I watch an unaccomplished black belt porn star who is like 5' and 100 pounds give hell to bluebelt ex football players. Sorry bud, some whitebelt didn't fuck up the guard of some blackbelt world champion and I can list most of them off the top of my head. Ffion Davies would beat the everloving shit out of whatever whitebelt was in front of her unless we are talking a true genetic specimen, I mean like someone REALLY special (they do exist).

Anyway, we're talking about trained vs untrained people. I hardly matters. If it did, we would be seeing video after video of it. Barely exist. Someoen had to post a mid-level UFC fighter getting hit in the fucking head with a 2x4, something that is ATTEMPTED MURDER at the very least for us to have a somewhat balanced argument of this. Nope. No way. Not doing this.

Size matters with trained people. 100%. That's pretty much it.

And to your first point, no, Gordon did not struggle with Thor, he was going like 20% because he was competiting against Nicky Rod for a shit ton of money THE NEXT DAY. Most guys don't do shit for days leading up to comp besides get a good sweat and drill. He was in down mode just toying with some giants.
His first match at ADCC last year was aginst Heikki Jussila, who is like 6'6 280 to Gordon's 6'2 230


Dominated. Didn't break a sweat. That was someone who won the European tournament. Someone who has been grappling for decades. It would matter even less in DA STREETZ