Does Khabib prove jujitsu belts as worthless?

[KID Yamamoto]

Didn't Khabib beat Justin with a triangle?

 

[TriangleMonkey]

You need to do pajama jiu jitsu to gain belt rank

Without the pj’s you can be a beast and not carry rank training nogi

Simple

 

[turbotime]

Most of the ATGs have belts. Not at all useless.

 

[sabretitan]

They all learned at some point from Japan and then Brazil.. that's all the noob deserves for an education. Read som books, watch some films kid

 

[wildchild88]

Fedor didn't hold multiple world championships in Sambo, which is straight grappling,
but in combat Sa,bo, which is an MMA witha GI.

Werdum, on the other hand is a straight BJJ multiple ti,es world champ.

Fedor didn't hold multiple world championships in Sambo, which is straight grappling,
but in combat Sa,bo, which is an MMA witha GI.

Werdum, on the other hand is a straight BJJ multiple ti,es world champ.

Still stands, he's an elite sambo fighter regardless..

 

[Slapchoppin]

does GSP prove all martial arts backgrounds as useless?

or maybe some people are just much better fighters and it doesn't really matter what your background is

 

[felmmando]

Not as worthless; just worthless.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Does Alex Pereira prove Muay Thai is worthless?

He doesn't even hold one of those Muay Thai belts, not even a white one, and yet he's blasting fools left, right and centre.

Muay Thai doesn't have a belt system. Skills really are the only true measuring stick, belts mean you went through the system and have knowledge of the techniques but it doesn't always mean the skill is there to apply the technique. Belts are good for a way of tracking progress but too many people look at belts to define skill level when that isn't true. You can be a white belt and tap out black belts just because you are more skilled even though they have been training longer and know more techniques.

I understand why they like the belt system though, it's an accomplishment to work for. Ceremonies for each new belt. So for more traditional styles belts work very well in terms of student/teacher and accomplishments for them to work towards. I personally like the separation of beginners, novice/intermediate, and advanced. Because for the most part that's really how it's separated by skill level if you don't focus on belts. I would probably do a belt system similar to that and a belt for masters that allows them to teach the style.

Even in BJJ blue to purple is pretty much considered intermediate and brown to black is considered advanced. There really isn't too much of a skill difference gap when people are at those levels. You also deal with a lot of no-gi people that have no belt ranking but grapple at an advanced level.

 

[PhotographyRaptor]

So Pantoja Werdum Mir Anderson etc they all suck now lol

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Still stands, he's an elite sambo fighter regardless..

Elite Combat Sambo fighter, he wasn't elite straight Sambo grappler, Sambo champ or judo champ.

His strength in MMA - was great transitions between grappling, clinching and striking, which were all high level.

But Fedor didn't hold straight grappling titles equal to olympic wrestler, judoka or pro BJJ world champ.
(neither did Khabib or Islam, tho)

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Khabib was a white belt in jujitsu, tapping out blackbelts on the ground.

Yes, totally worthless. If me and a black belt get in a scrap, flip a coin.

Terrific post

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

As a judo/sambo practitioner I find BJJ to be very appalling and to be honest I find it lame to just roll around on the ground. Like what about throws, takedowns and leg sweeps?

You are leaving too much on the table which includes the ability to develop great physical strength that comes from stand up grappling. I am sorry but I just cant take it serious in good faith.

Why can you take judo seriously when it doesn’t involve striking? Doesn’t that also leave too much on the table?

In fact, why take MMA seriously, there are no groin strikes, soccer kicks, knees to a downed opponent, etc. Too much left on table

Even no holds barred, what about weapons…..

Not everything is meant to encompass everything.

 

[wildchild88]

Elite Combat Sambo fighter, he wasn't elite straight Sambo grappler, Sambo champ or judo champ.

His strength in MMA - was great transitions between grappling, clinching and striking, which were all high level.

But Fedor didn't hold straight grappling titles equal to olympic wrestler, judoka or pro BJJ world champ.
(neither did Khabib or Islam, tho)

Hey it's not quite the same but 3 plus time world combat sambo champion is nothing to scoff at..

 

[fortheo]

As a judo/sambo practitioner I find BJJ to be very appalling and to be honest I find it lame to just roll around on the ground. Like what about throws, takedowns and leg sweeps?

You are leaving too much on the table which includes the ability to develop great physical strength that comes from stand up grappling. I am sorry but I just cant take it serious in good faith.

You can definitely do leg and foot sweeps and various takedowns in BJJ. Part of the reason you just don't see people going for single and double legs in BJJ is because of the scoring criteria that doesn't value it enough, and another reason is because you're prone to getting choked the fuck out if you go for double or single legs on these top tier bjj practicioners.

 

[Ogata]

You can definitely do leg sweeps and various takedowns in BJJ. Part of the reason you just don't see people going for single and double legs in BJJ is because of the scoring criteria that doesn't value it enough, and another reason is because you're prone to getting choked the fuck out if you go for double or single legs on these top tier bjj practicioners.

Guys like Karo fought many BJJ practitioners that were top tier and they did fine on the ground. Ruleset of BJJ sucks, the criteria is not built for fighting or defense. Its a way to make money since if everyone is rolling on the ground, less liability with people crashing in to each other since that can happen in stand up grappling. Its just a cash grab and a way to make money.

 

[fortheo]

Guys like Karo fought many BJJ practitioners that were top tier and they did fine on the ground. Ruleset of BJJ sucks, the criteria is not built for fighting or defense. Its a way to make money since if everyone is rolling on the ground, less liability with people crashing in to each other since that can happen in stand up grappling. Its just a cash grab and a way to make money.

I'm just talking about grappling arts here, and Karo was a very good BJJ black belt too, so......Anyways. In judo for example, if you go for a single arm shoulder throw and your opponent gets your back, the ref will typically restart the action on the feet. That obviously doesn't fly in bjj -- you'll give up your back and be fucked. Many judo throws are allowed in bjj, but many of them leave you in a horrible position if you fail them. That's why despite those throws being allowed in bjj, you're unlikely to see them.

Wrestling In MMA against high level bjj is a bit easier becuase you can hide your takedowns more behind strikes, but obviously in a pure grappling setting, you can't hide your takedowns as well. And that is why you're more prone to get choked out if you're shooting a double leg on top tier bjj players, which again, is why you're less likely to see single and double legs in bjj despite them being allowed.