Does Dana regret having Rhonda coach TUF?

[BigCharlie_GNP]

He's banked the future of women's mma on this one athlete by signing 15 other women, putting them as co-main events (Tate/Zingano, Davis/Carmouche) of UFC events and placed others on main cards and televised prelims of UFC events, putting still more women on TUF - giving them a weekly platform to display their skills to a nationwide TV audience. Say what you want about the UFC - they have done a tremendous job in not making their women's division the Ronda Rousey Show - even while everyone continues to describe it as the Ronda Rousey show.

And has anyone ever in the history of combat sports either bought a ticket or a ppv or not bought a ticket or a PPV based on being "unimpressed with (a fighter's) personality"? Are there a thousand threads on sherdog about how Cain/JDS buyrates are going to be effected by Cain's dour stoic boringness and JDS's wide-eyed momma's boy act? There is a weird strain of misogyny inherent in this line of reasoning that women's mma is going to be adversely effected if Ronda Rousey is regarded as crazy or a b*tch. She's supposed to be.

With women's MMA is in it's early stages.... if you look at the marketing for the UFC in 2004-06 Dana looked to guys like Rich Franklin as an example of guys who are smart, articulate, and can hold their own in front of the camera. Rich was the math teacher turned fighter, and this images helped people view MMA as a sport instead of cage fighting Neanderthals.

The UFC markets Rhonda as hard as any other fighter right now, and I would have thought Dana would prefer someone he could prance around as an "intelligent girl next door can also break your arm", instead of what he's getting. If not for her appearance on TUF, I think that image could still be in tact.

Bad guys sell tickets too, but my point is that if Dana had a preference I suspect he'd prefer she be a female Rich Franklin instead of a Tito Ortiz.

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[Lucifer Alpha]

biiiig time, about 50% of people hated her before the show. Now it's around 95%

I will never buy a ppv with her as the main event unless you give me like 2 main effent worthy fights as compensation.

Would you buy a PPV if she was nicer?

 

[Furious George]

Would you buy a PPV if she was nicer?

This dude probably wouldn't buy a PPV if it cost $10 and gave you a free BJ. Streamers gon' stream.

 

[Junior Cigano**]

See my post above.

If by "talking shit" you mean replying against Miesha's lame, conceited remarks, then yes.

Otherwise you're grasping at straws. All Ronda said was that she was coming for Miesha's belt. It made no sense for her career-wise to remain in a sparse division at 145. Miesha threw her usual hissy-fit by saying that Ronda "didn't deserve it" and that she only got the shot because she was "pretty."

If Ronda was so undeserving of that fight she would've lost. She didn't.

Well there was still the champion at 145, Cris Cyborg... Remember Ronda decided to drop before Cyborg was even suspended.

Just because she won doesn't mean she deserved the title shot in the first place. Did Gustafsson not deserve his title shot because he lost? Should random people just get title shots until one of them wins so we can see who really deserved it?

Ronda was undefeated before getting the shot. And she dominated her opponents in impressive fashion. Did she deserved it? You can make a case for it. You can't even do that with Tate. Tate lost to Cat and was getting lit up by kadzie. The truth is, Tate rode the on the sails of Ronda's name. Tate wouldn't even be half as popular without Ronda. For that reason, I can't root for Tate. Ronda is a bitch, but she won a medal for her country and carried her entire gender in her sport. Tate is nice, but she shouldn't fighting Ronda, or talking shit with her on the show.

I like how you point out the conclusion of her fight with Cat and ignore everything before it and ignore the conclusion of her fight with Kedzie but point out what happened before just to make Miesha look bad. She submitted Kedzie and was winning against Cat before the controversial stoppage.

And no Ronda did not deserve a title shot at 135 after going 4-0 at 145 and 0-0 at 135.

Just to be clear I'm saying Miesha deserves this title shot. Neither of them deserved their title shots, but I don't have a problem with it because the first fight was great and I'm sure the second one will be too. It's just idiotic and hypocritical to hate on Miesha for taking this title shot and in the same breath root for Ronda.

Ronda wouldn't be half as popular without Miesha either. Their rivalry and Ronda's win over Miesha is what really skyrocketed her popularity. How you can hate Miesha for such a ridiculous reason but support Ronda even after the immaturity and irrationality she's shown on TUF is beyond me.

 

[TrueBias]

Would you buy a PPV if she was nicer?

I believe what he's saying is that she is not a sole reason to buy a ppv. But if she was, Yes, if she was nicer it would help.

I'd like to see her lose but without another bigger fight I'd care about more, I'd be fine with highlights or a stream.

 

[SnitchInsider]

I think Dana regrets having Ronda coach TUF, but not because of what does or doesn't happen on the show, which doesn't matter.

Dana might regret making Rousey wait so long to fight again when so much heat was put on her and the women's division coming into the UFC. That just added fuel to a fire that frankly should have been put out with one or two more Rousey title defenses in the time we've sat here waiting for the show to come on and conclude.

Now the perception is that Rousey is talk talk talk, because she can't can't can't fight right now. The same is going to happen to McGregor because of his injury. He'll keep being himself, and derps will start to get upset with him about talking without fighting enough. It's not fair, but it's the way of the internet apparently.

 

[Dragonseeker]

Well there was still the champion at 145, Cris Cyborg... Remember Ronda decided to drop before Cyborg was even suspended.

Just because she won doesn't mean she deserved the title shot in the first place. Did Gustafsson not deserve his title shot because he lost? Should random people just get title shots until one of them wins so we can see who really deserved it?



I like how you point out the conclusion of her fight with Cat and ignore everything before it and ignore the conclusion of her fight with Kedzie but point out what happened before just to make Miesha look bad. She submitted Kedzie and was winning against Cat before the controversial stoppage.

And no Ronda did not deserve a title shot at 135 after going 4-0 at 145 and 0-0 at 135.

Just to be clear I'm saying Miesha deserves this title shot. Neither of them deserved their title shots, but I don't have a problem with it because the first fight was great and I'm sure the second one will be too. It's just idiotic and hypocritical to hate on Miesha for taking this title shot and in the same breath root for Ronda.

Ronda wouldn't be half as popular without Miesha either. Their rivalry and Ronda's win over Miesha is what really skyrocketed her popularity. How you can hate Miesha for such a ridiculous reason but support Ronda even after the immaturity and irrationality she's shown on TUF is beyond me.

She submitted Kadzie in a lackluster performance in which Meisha herself said she sucked that night and did not deserve a title shot. She then went on to lose against Cat Zingano. Those are the facts. And let's face it, in the UFC you don't need a single win in a weight division to get the title shot. Frankie Edgar and Pettis both got one by simply switching weights. Again, did Ronda deserve a title shot? She deserved it hella lot more than Tate. This is not even close to being debatable. Ronda was on a meteoric rise with an undefeated record. Tate was coming off of a lost.

Ronda deserves everything she got right now. She trained years in Judo, won an olympic medal, went undefeated in MMA. Without Ronda, women wouldn't even be fighting in the UFC. Why the hell shouldn't I support her? As a fan of martial arts, I admire her skills. As an American, I remember the honor she brought to her country. As a citizen of the world, I respect what she did for her gender. Why shouldn't I root for her?

Miesha Tate is doing nothing but riding on Ronda's sails. Ronda was a special talent. She didn't need Meisha. Are you kidding me? Their rivalry helped both of them. But Ronda was a rising star before the first Tate fight. Saying Ronda needed Meisha is like saying Mayweather needed Cotto or Michael Jordan needed John Starks. There are some athletes that are special and just meant to be.

Again, I rather root for top talent, utter dedication, and amazing accomplishments over a nice personality any day.

 

[eon001]

There might be some truth to the theory behind this thread. Seems like Dana chooses now put an end to pranks, to prevent a "war".

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Why does he choose now to intervene when even worse pranks have been a part of TUF since the show began. It's Ronda damage control.
Doesn't want her to completely lose her shit on tv.

 

[Junior Cigano**]

She submitted Kadzie in a lackluster performance in which Meisha herself said she sucked that night and did not deserve a title shot. She then went on to lose against Cat Zingano. Those are the facts. And let's face it, in the UFC you don't need a single win in a weight division to get the title shot. Frankie Edgar and Pettis both got one by simply switching weights. Again, did Ronda deserve a title shot? She deserved it hella lot more than Tate. This is not even close to being debatable. Ronda was on a meteoric rise with an undefeated record. Tate was coming off of a lost.

Ronda deserves everything she got right now. She trained years in Judo, won an olympic medal, went undefeated in MMA. Without Ronda, women wouldn't even be fighting in the UFC. Why the hell shouldn't I support her? As a fan of martial arts, I admire her skills. As an American, I remember the honor she brought to her country. As a citizen of the world, I respect what she did for her gender. Why shouldn't I root for her?

Miesha Tate is doing nothing but riding on Ronda's sails. Ronda was a special talent. She didn't need Meisha. Are you kidding me? Their rivalry helped both of them. But Ronda was a rising star before the first Tate fight. Saying Ronda needed Meisha is like saying Mayweather needed Cotto or Michael Jordan needed John Starks. There are some athletes that are special and just meant to be.

Again, I rather root for top talent, utter dedication, and amazing accomplishments over a nice personality any day.

If you don't need a single win in the UFC to get a title shot then what's the problem with Miesha getting one?

Ronda was on a rise but in no way was it a meteoric one. 4-0 all first round armbars and nobody cared about her except the hardcore MMA and Judo fans. You're delusional if you don't think her fight with Miesha won her a lot of fans. That fight was why Uncle Dana became interested in WMMA. You really think WMMA would be in UFC if Ronda fought Sarah Kaufman instead of Miesha?

How is Miesha riding Ronda's sails? Because she took this fight? She was the only person available and you think she should have said no to her boss and have people accuse her of ducking Ronda?

Root for top talent ok... #rondafan4lyfe #tilsheloses

As a citizen of this world, I think you're an idiot.

 

[Dragonseeker]

If you don't need a single win in the UFC to get a title shot then what's the problem with Miesha getting one?

Ronda was on a rise but in no way was it a meteoric one. 4-0 all first round armbars and nobody cared about her except the hardcore MMA and Judo fans. You're delusional if you don't think her fight with Miesha won her a lot of fans. That fight was why Uncle Dana became interested in WMMA. You really think WMMA would be in UFC if Ronda fought Sarah Kaufman instead of Miesha?

How is Miesha riding Ronda's sails? Because she took this fight? She was the only person available and you think she should have said no to her boss and have people accuse her of ducking Ronda?

Root for top talent ok... #rondafan4lyfe #tilsheloses

As a citizen of this world, I think you're an idiot.

I didn't say you don't need a win to get a title shot, I say you don't need a win in the weight division. Neither Edgar nor Pettis had a win in 145 and they both got a title shot. The issue I have with Meisha is that she lost her last fight. If Ronda lost her last fight and called out Tate for a title the first time, I would have laughed too. Not to mention the fact that Meisha herself said she didn't deserve a title shot after Kadzie.

Ronda's rise was meteoric. That is why all the major media had her as one of the top stories of MMA in that year. She armbared every one with ease and was undefeated. If you were around when Ronda was only available on YouTube, even then you could sense the buzz. Hardcore fans were watching Strikeforce Challengers just to see her. And yes, nobody but hardcore MMA fans knew about Ronda then. But nobody but hardcore MMA fans knew anything about WMMA in the first place. You need to get hardcore fans first before casual fans.

And yes, her fight with Meisha earned her a lot of fan. But she didn't need Meisha. Just like Jordan's rivalry with John Stark earned him a lot of fans and ratings, but Jordan didn't need Starks. Or the Detroit Pistons. Jordan would have been popular regardless. Because some athletes have that aura and skill that cannot be denied. Ronda got into the UFC because Dana White saw a cash cow. There were a LOT of great female MMA fights in history and none of them got Dana's attention. Ronda did because he saw her stardom potential. Meisha gave her a great fight, but if Dana didn't think Ronda would be a draw without Meisha, he would have never created the division. Ronda can't fight Meisha every fight. He knew Ronda can be star on her own.

Meisha is riding on Ronda's sails because she is practically using her rivalry with Ronda to get things she doesn't deserve. She doesn't deserve to be on this show. She doesn't deserve to be fighting Ronda again. Sara McMann, Alexis Davis, hell, even Jessica Eye deserve this fight more than Meisha, as she is on a seven fight win streak.

Again, why shouldn't I root for Ronda over Tate? Ronda is a top level talent who dominated every one of her opponents. She won medal for her country. She carries her entire gender in a sport. What has Tate done to make me root for her?

 

[AdamNewsome666]

One word bro. Sara McMann. The woman is an absolute beast and has to be the next step after Rousey runs through Tate.

Thank You

 

[Cooliox]

lol, someone looked up wikipedia on ad hominem and pretended to understand it.

Most commonly there's abusive ad hominem, circumstantial ad hominem, and tu quoque. Different definitions. But often, it's confused with appeal to ridicule or horse's laugh.
And on Sherdog, you get a lot of 'mob appeal.

Yea, there's plenty more... The way it's used above by that poster was meant to define a set group of people who are Anti-Ronda people. It was simply meant to define non-fans or non-supporters of Ronda. It wasn't used to dismiss an argument.

Kids...

 

[nonfighter]

That negative attitude and emotional unbalance seems to be working in her favor, as far as her fight game goes.

As long as she comes in at 135 or under at weigh-ins, works hard, doesn't get busted for banned substances, and doesn't get in trouble with the law, then I don't think Dana will have much of a problem with Rousey.. as long as she keeps winning.

Tate, on the other hand, will have to move to a different weight class after losing to Rousey once more.

 

[miamiron]

Rhonda has to learn that "some" woman should just keep their mouth shut
one way or another.

 

[ilfirin]

I have zero issues with her. I think Miesha comes off as a bigger douche than Ronda ever will.

 

[Mapleblood]

Do you even know what an argument is? There wasn't an argument. Not only did I directly adress the message, but I agreed with him, just for different reasons.

Instead of trying to give a deffinition of what an ad hominem attack is, maybe you get your dictionary out and look up the words "argument" and "ignorant".

You described SuBB as a member of the set of "haters" of Rousey for wanting Cyborg to drop weight. SuBB can have good reasons for disapproving of Rousey that have nothing to do with hate. By calling SuBB a "hater", you are attacking his character, not his reasons.

 

[Mapleblood]

lol, someone looked up wikipedia on ad hominem and pretended to understand it.

Most commonly there's abusive ad hominem, circumstantial ad hominem, and tu quoque. Different definitions. But often, it's confused with appeal to ridicule or horse's laugh.
And on Sherdog, you get a lot of 'mob appeal.

Yea, there's plenty more... The way it's used above by that poster was meant to define a set group of people who are Anti-Ronda people. It was simply meant to define non-fans or non-supporters of Ronda. It wasn't used to dismiss an argument.

Kids...

I respectfully disagree. The term "hater" implies that the messenger's deliberative process is substantively skewed by a non-rational bias. In the example we are discussing, "hater" was deployed to dismiss an argument that concluded with a statement of disapproval for Rousey in the form of an approval for Cyborg.

 

[Mapleblood]

Originally Posted by tec5210 View Post
Do you even know what an argument is? There wasn't an argument. Not only did I directly adress the message, but I agreed with him, just for different reasons.

Instead of trying to give a deffinition of what an ad hominem attack is, maybe you get your dictionary out and look up the words "argument" and "ignorant".



A hater is a hater irregardless of the reason(s). Using the word "hater" was descriptive, not an attack.

I accept that your use of the term could simply mean something like "does not approve of Ronda."

My problem with the term "hater" is that it carries the baggage of a non-rational bias. People can disagree with each other without being non-rational or "haters."

 

[dwright2]

Controversy is good for tv. Ronda didn't sign on to be the opposing coach to Tate, who she already beat, but Dana wanted the drama. I mean Tates bf already said he was going to punch Ronda's teeth down her throat, how many women would be comfortable...?

 

[FrankieNYC]

I mean Tates bf already said he was going to punch Ronda's teeth down her throat, how many women would be comfortable...?

Talk about "out of context"

Ronda said she could kick his ass, a fan asked him what would happen if they fought & he said that would be the outcome.
He never threatened her & even apologized MANY times since