Does anyone consider Aldo/Jung a legit finish?

[Lanshire]

A fights a fight.. In a real fight if you break your bone against your opponent who do you think would be considered the winner?

Exactly. So tired of retarded judes, rules, and pointfighters twisting this sport further and further from fighting/martial arts.

 

[runnpray]

legit

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

Aldo and Weidman were winning the fight anyway.

Its Anderson though. Dude lost 6 rounds to Chael and still beat him twice. Feel like Jung was gaining momentum as well, but what can you do?

 

[Shael]

I consider both Weidman and Aldo legit finishes, both unfortunate though.

 

[DennysGrandSlam]

The difference is that Aldo punched KZ's shoulder on a miss. He didn't intentionally punch his shoulder, but it dislocated it.

That is a fluke injury.

Also, Aldo specifically attacked the dislocated shoulder when he realized, which is pretty dirty. He could've easily just threw left hooks at his face and still gotten the stoppage because the ref would realize KZ can't defend from that side.

For Weidman, while he didn't intend to break his leg, he did intend to use the knee check, which he knows will hurt the opponent and possibly break their leg.

Completely different circumstance.

 

[TheMan123]

Also, Aldo specifically attacked the dislocated shoulder when he realized, which is pretty dirty. He could've easily just threw left hooks at his face and still gotten the stoppage because the ref would realize KZ can't defend from that side.

I agree. If I see a fighter open up a cut on another fighter's face I think he should stop punching the face. Hitting that cut over and over again is just dirty fighting.

 

[Snakesolidsnake]

I think legit is an odd word to use here. Are all of these injury wins still wins? Yes. Are they freak occurrences? Yes. These injury wins leave a lot of questions afterwards. A knockout/sub is definitive - one fighter beat the other. The injury wins just leave so many questions. Yes, Weidman was winning the fight, but a win that way leaves so many what-ifs.

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

The difference is that Aldo punched KZ's shoulder on a miss. He didn't intentionally punch his shoulder, but it dislocated it.

That is a fluke injury.

Also, Aldo specifically attacked the dislocated shoulder when he realized, which is pretty dirty. He could've easily just threw left hooks at his face and still gotten the stoppage because the ref would realize KZ can't defend from that side.

For Weidman, while he didn't intend to break his leg, he did intend to use the knee check, which he knows will hurt the opponent and possibly break their leg.

Completely different circumstance.

I'm not sure if any fighter wants to "win" like that. I doubt he spend all camp praticing and focusing on trying to win via breaking Silvas leg.

 

[iNoScopedJFK]

Definitely legit.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Its Anderson though. Dude lost 6 rounds to Chael and still beat him twice. Feel like Jung was gaining momentum as well, but what can you do?

True, wouldn't mind seeing Aldo-Jung again, it was a good fight, but Anderson and Weidman have fought twice with Weidman getting his hand raised both times, the chances of both fights being flukes is pretty low.

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

I think legit is an odd word to use here. Are all of these injury wins still wins? Yes. Are they freak occurrences? Yes. These injury wins leave a lot of questions afterwards. A knockout/sub is definitive - one fighter beat the other. The injury wins just leave so many questions. Yes, Weidman was winning the fight, but a win that way leaves so many what-ifs.

Yes this. Technically still wins. But they win because the other fighter is injured

 

[DennysGrandSlam]

I agree. If I see a fighter open up a cut on another fighter's face I think he should stop punching the face. Hitting that cut over and over again is just dirty fighting.

In that mode of thought, if Herb didn't jump in, Weidman should've started kicking Silva's leg, which everyone would've called dirty, me included as someone who wanted Weidman to win.

A cut isn't the same.

 

[twillytb]

What these fights have most in common is they were being dominated by the eventual winner anyway no matter how the fight actually ended

 

[Jblizzle]

Correct me if i'm wrong... if you don't think Aldo vs Jung was a freak injury, then why would you think different about Anderson/Weidman 2? Leg check is a common defensive technique. You could argue then that Aldo had excellent technique by blocking Jung's punch causing him to dislocate his shoulder. IMO it was a very unlikely freak injury. Chris was beating that ass in the 1st no doubt though, still doesn't make it a legit finish




edit: Saying weidman had a legit finish is similar to saying someone who broke his hand on someone forehead trying to punch him (then could not continue) had a legit loss. I just can't see something like that as a legit victory... and I was rooting for Weidman

Only difference is that those checks were meant to hurt Silva

 

[DennysGrandSlam]

I'm not sure if any fighter wants to "win" like that. I doubt he spend all camp praticing and focusing on trying to win via breaking Silvas leg.

Of course, but he did train that defense. It simply was more effective than he thought it'd be. The injury was the result of something Weidman trained to do and it worked in spades.

Would anyone call an overhand right that cracks an opponents orbital or breaks their jaw a fluke injury? No.

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

What these fights have most in common is they were being dominated by the eventual winner anyway no matter how the fight actually ended

True. but the fact is that Anderson lost 6/7 rounds to Chael and still beat him. Dudes a finisher and has a chance to win every second of a fight. Jung could have finished Aldo in the championship rounds, Aldo looked pretty tired. Never know though.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I agree. If I see a fighter open up a cut on another fighter's face I think he should stop punching the face. Hitting that cut over and over again is just dirty fighting.

not sure if you're being intentionally ignorant or not, but i'll bite.

There is a huge difference between a dislocated shoulder which is going to end the fight regardless, and a cut that's not going to end the fight.

that fight was already over.

how you you feel if weidman ran over and slaped a knee bar on silva after he broke his leg?

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

Of course, but he did train that defense. It simply was more effective than he thought it'd be. The injury was the result of something Weidman trained to do and it worked in spades.

Would anyone call an overhand right that cracks an opponents orbital or breaks their jaw a fluke injury? No.

Well an overhand breaking orbitals and jaws is very likely and common. I can see why someone would say Weidman got lucky, because checking the leg usually NEVER breaks someones leg

 

[RockyLockridge]

True. but the fact is that Anderson lost 6/7 rounds to Chael and still beat him. Dudes a finisher and has a chance to win every second of a fight. Jung could have finished Aldo in the championship rounds, Aldo looked pretty tired. Never know though.

If you should have learned ANYTHING AT ALL from this fight its that Anyone has a chance to win any fight.

And that also means anyone has a chance to lose a fight.

saying "b-b-but it's anderson! He can come from behind 4 rounds and win!" doesn't change that, Anyone can do that. Regardless of weather or not they have a history of doing so.

 

[MachidaNo1Fan]

If you should have learned ANYTHING AT ALL from this fight its that Anyone has a chance to win any fight.

And that also means anyone has a chance to lose a fight.

saying "b-b-but it's anderson! He can come from behind 4 rounds and win!" doesn't change that, Anyone can do that. Regardless of weather or not they have a history of doing so.

Exactly. Unfortunate that Anderson didn't get have a chance to win the fight due to the injury. I thought he was controlling it in the 2nd TBH. Would have rather seen him lose decisively than like this. It is what it is. Imo the back the back most weidest fights i have ever seen.