Does anyone believe USADA is actually effective?

Retarded people do exist ya know . Lol sorry for not being helpful yes plenty of people think they are successful because plenty of people don't take the time to look into their record . I don't blame them really it's a pretty fucking boring thing to look into.
I think the bigger issue is that the vast majority of MMA fans still have this War On Drugs mentality with peds and view it as "cheating" and something that's a moral sin for which you must be flogged for .
 
I feel like they were catching wayyyy more fighters the first couple of years they got on.

Now it's pretty well known what their limits are and fighters have been able to move on to the specific type of undetectable designer drugs.
 
I don't really concern myself or care much anymore.

They are mostly for comedy relief on Sherdawg at this point anyhow.
 
It clearly has had an effect. Pre vs Post USADA is definitely a thing. Just watch Jon Jones lackluster performances after he popped.
 
The ban on TRT and IV's was a huge blow, with several fighters suffering obvious downfalls after that. As for actual steroid usage though, nah. Fighters might be smarter about it now, or not able to abuse as heavily, but they're definitely all on it.
 
TorontoTO said:
No, it was only implemented so the Fertitas could sell it off and the promotion would look "professional"

The only ones who get caught are Russians and Brazilians who first sign with the UFC and they don't have the resources like their colleagues at bigger camps or Stateside.

They are probably not juicing 24/7 like in Pride or pre-USADA, but they are all still on the juice
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No different than any other sport. Professional sports leagues only care about their finances. If there was no stigma towards steroids nobody in any sport would be tested at all.

The NFL is full of PED users. They only test enough to tell people their sport is clean... it isn't.
 
Taric said:
No different than any other sport. Professional sports leagues only care about their finances. If there was no stigma towards steroids nobody in any sport would be tested at all.

The NFL is full of PED users. They only test enough to tell people their sport is clean... it isn't.
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I agree, PED testing in all the major leagues, aka All off soccer leagues, NBA, NHL, NFL, etc. are all cosmetic and they catch only the dummies and newbies.
 
Shaddows said:
I do think that it helps.
Yes, it does not catch all. But it is not meant to be so.
It is supposed to be a deterrent.

I would hope that they could truly clean the sport, but it is not realistic on a sport that goes on forever (as compared with Olympics)
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the olympics often don’t catch Athletes cheating for years or decades later.

so you could imagine if they had samples they test over time.
 
I think it is effective in reducing PED use by the mid level guys who can't afford the best PEDs and masking agents.
 
Yes it controls usage so fighters aren't so Mutated they are knocking each others eyes out....
 
kflo said:
How did “usada” get bought out? They paid everyone in the company? They paid everyone in the company and everyone at the wada lab? They just paid one guy? Who paid them from what? These CT’s need to make some sense. Maybe it’s true but it seems illogical on the surface.
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Yeah. And the cia didn’t introduce crack to the inner cities. Or drug smuggling to fund both sides with money and weapons in Nicaragua.
Or allowed the Sinaloa cartel to smuggle billions of dollars worth of drugs in the us. From the mid 90s. To not to not to long ago?

And you’re equating corruption as it’s impossible for a drug testing company and you wonder why everyone either does or doesn’t know about all the details?

are you 11 or just extremely naive to the world ? No offense just curious.

this is just a couple of huge deals from highly regarded agencies. Over a few decade span. Just a couple of for instances.
 
It's weird that USADA, in an attempt to create a more even playing field, has resulted in the opposite since most of the superstars/high earners in the sport appear to get away with it.

Scrap USADA at this point. It's not cheating if everyone really is on steroids.

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USADA is as effective as the CDC and WHO.
 
USADA: Here is a list of banned substances we test for
Fighter/PED Doctor: Lets find/create something that's not on the list

Pretty easy right?

Prologue said:
It's weird that USADA, in an attempt to create a more even playing field, has resulted in the opposite since most of the superstars/high earners in the sport appear to get away with it.

Scrap USADA at this point. It's not cheating if everyone really is on steroids.

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Yes because USADA give a list of what they test for, so anyone with money/resources can obtain/create something they do not test for.
 
Yes, because you see it in the way many of these ex-juicers look and perform and also in how the fights look nowadays. If beating the controls was as easy as the sherbros think, guys wouldn’t be showing that degree of hesitancy. It makes no sense given the stakes.
 
PlasticFishBowl said:
With the TJ return, I’ve heard a lot more people speaking about USADA lately. I can’t believe how many people actually think that USADA has cleaned up PED usage in the UFC.

The facts: 8 fighters have been punished by USADA in 2021. (Source: https://ufc.usada.org/testing/results/sanctions/)

There are over 700 fighters in the UFC’s testing pool currently.

USADA is a tool to catch absolute morons (Jon Jones, O’Malley, etc.) Anyone with the slightest common sense can easily pass tests while being juicy. Forget obvious users like Costa, Francis, or Izzy. USADA catches like 15-20 people a year in a roster of 700+. To claim USADA is effective would be to claim that 95%+ of the UFC roster is clean.

UFC should do away with the charade and just let fighters openly juice. It would lead to quicker fights ( Francis wouldn’t have to go back to Cameroon to cycle between fights, same for essentially every Russian and Brazilian on the roster), it would eliminate the arbitrary nature of punishing a few while most go free, and it would allow super juicers who don’t have to waste time cycling off and can go full TRT Vitor level.
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It acts as a kind of speed limit -- you can get away with driving 20 mph over the speed limit, but not 100 mph over. Same with this.

However, assuming fighter safety isn't a concern (ie you don't care if fighters hit harder and the problems that come with that wrt concussions etc), and you want faster fights, then definitely also stop checking gloves for hidden objects -- you'd get a lot more finishes if fighters gloves weren't checked. Glove checks, like blood tests, are just there to stop cheaters, but if cheating isn't a problem then why test either?

In fact, if you drop PED tests I'd suggest I'd suggest a system where fighters can choose between having their gloves or their blood checked -- there's really no reason to check gloves but not bloos work. The choice will add an interesting dimension of tactics. Some will go for blood tests and no-glove checks, others will go for glove tests but not blood tests. Furthermore, given your concern with fighters wasting time cycling, think of the time fighters could save on training with foreign objects in their gloves -- it'd a marked increase in finishing power.
 
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