Does a Stipe win over Jones end the debate over who’s the greatest HW of all time?

[snaportap21]

Does Stipe’s legacy surpass Fedor’s with a win over Jones? At that point, he’d have the most hw title defense in a row in ufc history. He’d also have wins over legends like Cormier, Francis, Overeem, and Werdum. Many still see Fedor as the HW goat, but would a win over arguably the greatest mma fighter of all time end that debate? What are your thoughts?

 

[Shaolin Alan]

No. The Last Emperor reigns for eternity

 

[Psychojoe86]

In reality, I don’t think stipe even makes the top 5 best mma heavyweights of all time

Fedor
Big nog
Werdum
Jds
Cain
Cormier
Ngannou
Aspinall
Cro cop

Stipe is in there somewhere. He’s absolutely not the best ever and never will be though. He’s the manifestation of Dana white’s bruised super ego resulting from losing out on having fedor fight in the UFC

 

[snaportap21]

No. The Last Emperor reigns for eternity

I’m not mad at that, Fedor is a total badass. An all time great for sure.

 

[mjfan23]

No.
It’s about as relevant as Tito Knocking Chuck out these days

 

[snaportap21]

In reality, I don’t think stipe even makes the top 5 best mma heavyweights of all time

Fedor
Big nog
Werdum
Jds
Cain
Cormier
Ngannou
Aspinall
Cro cop

Stipe is in there somewhere. He’s absolutely not the best ever and never will be though. He’s the manifestation of Dana white’s bruised super ego resulting from losing out on having fedor fight in the UFC

Stipe not top 5? That’s a hot take. He’s beaten a lot of the names you listed . And also, Aspinall? Are you trolling me?

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Greatest firefighter though!
We have to give him that.
Also a really great fighter but I would have liked to see him tested some more.

 

[snaportap21]

No.
It’s about as relevant as Tito Knocking Chuck out these days

How do you figure that? Jon just beat Gane in the first round not too long ago. A win over Jones is still pretty significant. He’s arguably the goat.

 

[CasualBot]

Definitely takes Jones out of the discussion

 

[JBJ was here]

It only ends the debate if you exclude fights fought under the Yakuza banner, which you probably should.

 

[CasualBot]

Ngannou
Aspinall

You forgot Derrick Lewis in your list

 

[IronGolem007]

In reality, I don’t think stipe even makes the top 5 best mma heavyweights of all time

Fedor
Big nog
Werdum
Jds
Cain
Cormier
Ngannou
Aspinall
Cro cop

Stipe is in there somewhere. He’s absolutely not the best ever and never will be though. He’s the manifestation of Dana white’s bruised super ego resulting from losing out on having fedor fight in the UFC

Idiot, Stipe beat 4 out of the 9 you listed, well as Arlovsky, Overeem, and Hunt.

 

[CasualBot]

Does Stipe’s legacy surpass Fedor’s with a win...

 

[roganisonly5foot3]

Pretty much only anti ufc haters have fedor in any type of goat discussion, he’s really not even in the conversation for anyone who is rational

 

[snaportap21]

It’s a pretty big win. Beating arguably the GOAT as a massive underdog when no one expects you to win would be major for Stipe’s legacy. Fedor wouldn’t have a single win that comes close to that.

 

[snaportap21]

Pretty much only anti ufc haters have fedor in any type of goat discussion, he’s really not even in the conversation for anyone who is rational

Really? Fedor starched former ufc champs, and has massive wins over guys like a prime big nog and a prime cro cop. When it comes to the HW goat why wouldn’t fedor be in that convo?

 

[snaportap21]

Definitely takes Jones out of the discussion

Nah. No one loss can erase Jon’s legacy. His resume still is what it is.

 

[jk7707]

If Stipe gets a highlight reel KO over Jones and rides off into the sunset? Hell yea. Why? Because fairy tale endings don't happen in MMA (outside of GSP). Fedor is a great example. The first 10 years of his career are legendary. The last 13? He went 9-6 and lost to guys who weren't great.

If Stipe can pull it off I'd give him the nod based on the quality of his wins. Nelson, Gonzaga, Hunt, Arlovski, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, Cormier x2, and Jones? That's a GOAT resume.

Problem is, I think he's got about a 5% chance of pulling it off with this much of a layoff and as old as he is.

 

[MrCoffee]

Yea it does. Its Fedor.

 

[snaportap21]

It only ends the debate if you exclude fights fought under the Yakuza banner, which you probably should.

I hear you, the yakuza certainly does make certain things fishy, but the ufc has some fishy shit as well. In title fights the guy the ufc would benefit the most from winning often is allowed to cheat like a mfer. Edward’s usman 3 and mcgregor vs anyone are great examples. Hell, the ufc being so intent on rescheduling the jones vs stipe fight instead of having Jon unify the title just shows shady the ufc.