Do you trust the NSA, CIA, FBI

[SBJJ]

Simple. Do you trust these agencies?

In General, not just now.

Do you believe they are agencies onto their own? Or are they swayed by the Executive Branch?

What are your opinions on their past documented bad deeds? Do they color your opinion of them now?

 

[Fawlty]

In general, the FBI is the most trustworthy. I think the NSA is trustworthy in that they are actually looking out for American security, but the potential for abuse is tremendous. The CIA is one of the least trustworthy entities in human history, though they seem to have been improving their behavior from the low point of last generation.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

if i like their claims and conclusions, then i trust them. if i dont agree with what they say, then i assume conspiracy. big brother.

 

[SBJJ]

In general, the FBI is the most trustworthy. I think the NSA is trustworthy in that they are actually looking out for American security, but the potential for abuse is tremendous. The CIA is one of the least trustworthy entities in human history, though they seem to have been improving their behavior from the low point of last generation.

Good post

To the last point of improved behavior. Maybe just better at covering their tracks? Or maybe we've legalized what used to be bad behavior

 

[ndwolfwood]

Of course not

 

[SBJJ]

if i like their claims and conclusions, then i trust them. if i dont agree with what they say, then i assume conspiracy. big brother.

Very honest Ringo!

 

[SBJJ]

I was suggest watching wormwood on Netflix. Very well done

Not quite Daredevil or Punisher. But very good none the less

 

[Witchhunt]

Simple. Do you trust these agencies?

In General, not just now.

Do you believe they are agencies onto their own? Or are they swayed by the Executive Branch?

What are your opinions on their past documented bad deeds? Do they color your opinion of them now?

No.
No, but they are not controlled by the executive branch either. They are likely (obviously) controlled by past political facilitation's and appointments from both sides of the isle. D&R mean very little in the upper levels of politics. It's all show.

Yes. It doesn't take a bunch of research in to the FOIA releases to realize that these organizations are corrupt and have been for long while. Likely getting worse over time..

What about you?

 

[BudKing8806]

Fuck all of them.

 

[Kitafuji]

I only trust Jason Bourne
Really, for the most part they are trustworthy. With that said, I think they are infringing on our right to privacy.

 

[Trotsky]

In general, the FBI is the most trustworthy. I think the NSA is trustworthy in that they are actually looking out for American security, but the potential for abuse is tremendous. The CIA is one of the least trustworthy entities in human history, though they seem to have been improving their behavior from the low point of last generation.

Perfectly said.

1. FBI - very trustworthy
2. NSA - mostly trustworthy
3. CIA - lol go fuck yourself

 

[Fawlty]

Good post

To the last point of improved behavior. Maybe just better at covering their tracks? Or maybe we've legalized what used to be bad behavior

I think a big part of it is the post-911 shakeup in how we do business. So the CIA director now reports to the DNI, an excellent change. For example, regime change is handled more publicly- Syria is an open book compared to Central/South America back in the day. They are doing a lot more cyberwar and a lot less fomenting revolution. But it is worth noting that Trump rolled back the ban on CIA drone assassinations, and we can expect more nonsense like that to come, so things might go back the other way.

 

[SaiWa]

Perfectly said.

1. FBI - very trustworthy
2. NSA - mostly trustworthy
3. CIA - lol go fuck yourself

lol.

Doesn't it always seem that CIA are untrustworthy fucks in movies? Wonder how much that factors into what we think of these agencies.

 

[Shoemaker]

Like any organization, they're only as trustworthy as people can be. In that sense, I neither trust nor distrust any individual thing that they say. The CIA's mission is pretty much to be untrustworthy. They're spies. So it's hard to take anything they say at face value while also not assuming it could be misdirection/misinformation. The NSA certainly lost some trust in recent years; I trust that their goal is in America's interest, but I don't trust that they'll follow the law to achieve that goal. The FBI is the organization I'm neutral on; like any law enforcement agency they'll have some bad-eggs but I don't think it's a systemic problem there. For the most part I feel like they're the most transparent of all three, even if still mostly opaque.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Very honest Ringo!

that was sarcasm. id like to think that i dont actually do that, but thats the thing about bias, its difficult to see your own.

i think the CIA is very machiavellian, and was always intended to be. do what you feel needs to be done for the USA, even if you have to lie and crack a few heads to make it happen. even american heads.

the NSA is guilty of what some call "mission creep" a lot, i suppose. sure, its easy for outsiders to say that privacy should be protected, and they should respect that. but guess what will happen to those who work there if another major atack happens, and it becomes apparent that had they cracked into someone's snapchats, they could have stopped it? but for the most part, i trust them.

i trust the fbi as well, for the most part, though they have a long history of individuals politicizing their agency. thats inevitable i suppose, even if those individuals do it by accident.

 

[Trotsky]

lol.

Doesn't it always seem that CIA are untrustworthy fucks in movies? Wonder how much that factors into what we think of these agencies.

It's because they are. Declassified 20th century history shows what incredible fucks the CIA have been on an international scale.

 

[Shoemaker]

lol.

Doesn't it always seem that CIA are untrustworthy fucks in movies? Wonder how much that factors into what we think of these agencies.

It's like that Eddie Murphy joke: "I don't trust shy bitches; they always got the most skeletons in their closet. That's why they don't talk, they're afraid a bone is going to fly out their mouth."

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

I trust them as much as I trust other strangers with a motive: not at all.

I don't think anyone should take any conclusion they reach at face value and should always be looking at the facts of the issue if they're available. If reality lines up with what they say, I'll believe it.

But in terms of having a "trust" that would let me accept anything they say as certain truth, no, none at all.

 

[HomerThompson]

In general, the FBI is the most trustworthy. I think the NSA is trustworthy in that they are actually looking out for American security, but the potential for abuse is tremendous. The CIA is one of the least trustworthy entities in human history, though they seem to have been improving their behavior from the low point of last generation.

Precisely this.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Should have included DHS.

https://www.dhs.gov/operational-and-support-components

Bureaucracies within a bureaucracy. Individually depts such as the Coast Guard, and Border Protection and the like are good, why the need to consolidate to the degree they have?

It strikes me as the kind of over-seer that can morph into something similar to Gov'ts like China, where the goal is Gov't protection for the Gov't first and foremost if not exclusively.

 

[Fawlty]

The FBI is the organization I'm neutral on; like any law enforcement agency they'll have some bad-eggs but I don't think it's a systemic problem there. For the most part I feel like they're the most transparent of all three, even if still mostly opaque.

The National Security Letters are a big issue with the FBI for me. Doesn't seem like a power they should have. But on the other hand I think those are better off in their care rather than the spooks, so I dunno.