"Do You Think I Should Be Deported?"

[Deleted member 196663]

no one's saying it's destroying the country you fkn retard .. check your autism .. the fact is they should all be deported .. you're breaking the law .. you have people openly boasting about getting free education and free everything as illegal aliens .. pussies like you see nothing wrong with that because you're a cuck .. pussies like you are the reason for what's going on in britain and other western countries .. and your limp wristed ass is trying to call someone else weak .. you probably secretly cheer them on

 

[Lustercross]

you're the typical liberal or wtf you are .. you whine about 'racists' and then throw around racist terms to describe people .. luckily trump was elected and that shit has been rejected .. the time for your kind is done

On the contrary, trump's policies will benefit me a lot lol

 

[lifelessheap]

I pay attention to what happens in the USA because it often influences what happens in Canada.

Then open your borders to Mexicans and make sure every time a Mexican woman shits out a baby in your country it is legal and a family of ten more can follow. And feed them and give them houses ... and let them burn your flags while screaming that you are a racist if they don't get to vote.

 

[Rav1nHunter]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/care...ter-leaving-nz-as-a-baby-20161231-gtkc7l.html
The U.S. needs to learn from countries with strict border control I know it's hard considering you have 2 massive borders to protect but if that bitch got up on Aus TV and announced she had been here for 20 years illegally Border agents would've raided her house that day.

more examples:
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/i...s-over-undeclared-crimes-20160808-gqnx84.html

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...g-deportation-after-living-australia-37-years

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...his-deportation-to-chile-20151212-glm26s.html

 

[Lanx]

"Because it's against the law" isn't exactly the answer I was looking for. I know it's against the law. I said that people claim illegals are a drain on the system, and my question was "how?" What part of the system are they draining when America barely has a system to drain, because out of all the western nations America barely even has a social net.

Here look at it this way.

You have to prove you can drive, so you get a drivers license, you have to have insurance to drive a car. Let's say that is citizenship(license) and paying taxes (insurance)

An illegal, cannot get a license to drive, so they'll buy some junker and drive illegally w/o insurance.

Sure this largely doesn't affect you 99.9% of your life, UNTIL this illegal rear ends you, and since he doesn't have insurance, or is even legally allowed to operate a vehicle (has actually learned how to drive). you end up paying the bill, cuz he probably left his illegal truck and ran away.

Illegals driving junker cars, they don't do it cuz it's cheap, it's cuz these cars have no VIN number.

 

[CableandThanos]

What does she do for a job or school?When she was younger, etc?

How did she get into school with no birth certificate? How did she get a job with no SS#? How does she get credit cards, open a bank account, get a loan, rent a house or apartment?

 

[kpt018]

I think it's morally wrong for the banks to not give me money. As such I think I'll go rob a bank tomorrow because to me, it's the MORAL thing to do...

Yeah, because that is the same as letting people into our country to contribute to the economy by working (really hard and shitty jobs too) and buying things.

you define morality right? lets all bow to you

I define my own morality. But let's not pretend there aren't superior moral positions to others.

Do you think being against murder is morally superior to supporting murder?

it was morally correct to hack the election and help trump win

Why?

 

[BVG]

Yeah, because that is the same as letting people into our country to contribute to the economy by working (really hard and shitty jobs too) and buying things.

Why isn't it? What makes your morality and more right than my morality? Why does your moralities get a pass at disobeying laws and mine doesn't?

Oh that's right, I forgot. As a functioning society we have adapted these things called LAWS. Laws which we agree to abide and should they need to be changed, amended.
It's to help clear up those pesky differences in morality and right and wrongs by clearly defining what is and isn't allowed in the country.

But you wanna just bypass all that because you personally feel it's justified?

Fuck off.

 

[kpt018]

Why isn't it? What makes your morality and more right than my morality? Why does your moralities get a pass at disobeying laws and mine doesn't?

Bring up a specific topic and we can discuss it. We can talk about the war on drugs as an immoral and failed conquest, we can talk about immigration (immigrants contribute to our economy), whatever you like. My views are nuanced in this area.

The problem here is you jumped the gun and didn't even bother to ask why I felt it was the morally superior position. Try to fucking understand others before you post.

Oh that's right, I forgot. As a functioning society we have adapted these things called LAWS. Laws which we agree to abide and should they need to be changed, amended.

Ok, but I am proposing a law change. And lots of people would agree that she should not be deported, dare I say more than half the country. So that puts a big hole in your point.

It's to help clear up those pesky differences in morality and right and wrongs by clearly defining what is and isn't allowed in the country.

Which I agree with. The laws I do not I would propose law changes.

But you wanna just bypass all that because you personally feel it's justified?

Depends. I think the war against drugs is immoral, wrong and has been a huge failure. But I would not use drugs, even weed, because it is illegal. But I would never turn in an immigrant who was hard working and a decent person. It violates my morals, so I wouldn't do it.

Fuck off.

Forgot to take your medicine today?

 

[sickc0d3r]

If you are here illegally,you should be deported.We have to enforce laws.

Liberals somehow believe breaking the law is okay.
It's not.

No, many people just feel that their infraction is minor, largely because we offer them jobs. We are complicit and we're breaking the law in order to employ them. Why aren't we showering abuses on the businesses that hire these people as much as we do the immigrants? Won't they self deport if they can't find work?

The thing is, there is probably more benefit in trying to make a productive person legal than trying to deport them. And getting all bent out of shape because they broke a law that should probably be changed is like getting upset that somebody who mows their neighbors' lawns for cash under the table doesn't get thrown in jail for tax evasion.

 

[kpt018]

No, many people just feel that their infraction is minor, largely because we offer them jobs. We are complicit and we're breaking the law in order to employ them. Why aren't we showering abuses on the businesses that hire these people as much as we do the immigrants? Won't they self deport if they can't find work?

The thing is, there is probably more benefit in trying to make a productive person legal than trying to deport them. And getting all bent out of shape because they broke a law that should probably be changed is like getting upset that somebody who mows their neighbors' lawns for cash under the table doesn't get thrown in jail for tax evasion.

Exactly. It's also worth noting the people who want her deported have nothing to say about businesses who hire undocumented immigrants.

Should the owners of those companies also be deported?

 

[Banchan]

Exactly what benefits are Americans concerned that illegal immigrants are going to milk the system for? Compared to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain and the EU by comparison America barely even has any social programs that can be milked. You guys don't subsidize post-secondary education, so your college and university tuition costs like 10X what other countries pay, and you don't have universal health care like all those other countries do.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I just genuinely don't know what you guys actually offer that would be of any advantage for illegals and refugees etc. to take advantage of compared to pretty much every other western nation.

Apparently
public education K~12, tax refunds that return any taxes paid (meaning they arent actually paying taxes) and tax credits are the bulk of government deficits caused by illegals.


Key Findings

• Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
• The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
• Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
• At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
• Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

 

[The Beast Within]

Paul Ryan fielded some tough questions at the town hall the other night. The woman in the video was brought into the country as a child and has lived here for over 20 years. She asked Ryan if he thinks she should be deported. His response.



Short synopsis;
- No, he doesn't think she should be deported
- No mass deportation
- Trump team is focused on violent illegals

What do you guys think? This seems to directly contradict Trump's campaign promises of deporting 11 million illegals. I think many predicted this would occur from the onset.

UPDATE: I can't believe I need to add this, but since so many people failed to comprehend the point of the OP, I'll restate. The question isn't whether YOU believe the woman should be deported, it's whether or not what Paul Ryan says contradicts Trump's campaign promise to deport all illegals.

20 years and she's still an illegal! fucking cunt

 

[sickc0d3r]

Exactly. It's also worth noting the people who want her deported have nothing to say about businesses who hire undocumented immigrants.

Should the owners of those companies also be deported?

They should be fined and forced to hire a snotty teenager who'll eventually quit when a party conflicts with their work schedule.

 

[BVG]

Bring up a specific topic and we can discuss it. We can talk about the war on drugs as an immoral and failed conquest, we can talk about immigration (immigrants contribute to our economy), whatever you like. My views are nuanced in this area.

The problem here is you jumped the gun and didn't even bother to ask why I felt it was the morally superior position. Try to fucking understand others before you post.



Ok, but I am proposing a law change. And lots of people would agree that she should not be deported, dare I say more than half the country. So that puts a big hole in your point.



Which I agree with. The laws I do not I would propose law changes.



Depends. I think the war against drugs is immoral, wrong and has been a huge failure. But I would not use drugs, even weed, because it is illegal. But I would never turn in an immigrant who was hard working and a decent person. It violates my morals, so I wouldn't do it.



Forgot to take your medicine today?

You want a law change, then you go out and take the steps to amend a law. I'm totally fine with that.

But until a law is changed, it doesn't matter if you find it moral or immoral...it's the fucking law. And as such anyone breaking the law is a criminal based off of the rules we govern in this society determined by the collective.

The collective meaning not just what YOU decide is moral or immoral.

That's what I'm arguing. It's not a specific point or what is moral or immoral. You wanna steer this conversation into a dead end argument I never started up. That is an argument over things you may find immoral that I may find moral.

I'm telling you I don't care.

 

[kpt018]

You want a law change, then you go out and take the steps to amend a law. I'm totally fine with that.

But until a law is changed, it doesn't matter if you find it moral or immoral...it's the fucking law. And as such anyone breaking the law is a criminal based off of the rules we govern in this society determined by the collective.

The collective meaning not just what YOU decide is moral or immoral.

That's what I'm arguing. It's not a specific point or what is moral or immoral. You wanna steer this conversation into a dead end argument I never started up. That is an argument over things you may find immoral that I may find moral.

I'm telling you I don't care.

And you're stating the obvious and not adding anything to what people already know. God forbid there's some fucking nuance.

And if you don't care why bother posting about it? I never quoted you. I'm simply stating that there are cases were action can be moral and not legal. They are not perfectly aligned. If you "don't care" than fuck off and carry on and stop replying to me. If you want to discuss than lets dropped the "I don't care" and discuss it.

 

[BVG]

And you're stating the obvious and not adding anything to what people already know. God forbid there's some fucking nuance.

And if you don't care why bother posting about it? I never quoted you. I'm simply stating that there are cases were action can be moral and not legal. They are not perfectly aligned. If you "don't care" than fuck off and carry on and stop replying to me. If you want to discuss than lets dropped the "I don't care" and discuss it.

I'm destroying your "hey classifying certain people as illegals is moral wrong" bullshit.

We have an immigration system for a reason. Bypassing that, for whatever reason is bullshit and cheating. It's that black and white.

 

[kpt018]

I'm destroying your "hey classifying certain people as illegals is moral wrong" bullshit.

We have an immigration system for a reason. Bypassing that, for whatever reason is bullshit and cheating. It's that black and white.

You must have had a conversation in your head because in reality you didn't destroy anything. Shit, you didn't even try to understand my position so that you can "destroy it". It's pointless to talk to people like you. You already have your mind made up so you don't even have to listen to other views. Your loss.

Again, if you're so closed minded that it is "black and white" and like you said in your last post "I don't care" why the fuck are you going back and forth on this? Stop wasting time.

 

[hughesfan20]

Are illegals with speeding tickets being deported?

Do states issue drivers licenses to folks here illegally?

Yes sir some states most certainly do. http://immigration.lawyers.com/citizenship/can-undocumented-immigrants-get-drivers-licenses.html (in response to your 2nd ?)

 

[TheStruggle]

Paul Ryan is a fucking RINO, we all knew this