"Do You Think I Should Be Deported?"

[lecter]

I'm not trying to be a dick, I just genuinely don't know what you guys actually offer that would be of any advantage for illegals and refugees etc. to take advantage of compared to pretty much every other western nation.

Well, if they don't lose that much anyway, then it shouldn't be a problem to simply return to our law pre-Obama's executive orders and to apply the law a bit more strictly, right? We have federal immigration laws in order to maintain control over people entering our country/becoming part of our society and to ensure that we are the ones who set the conditions for immigration, not simply the people who want to enter the country. That's actually kind of the concept of a nation. We don't have borders, a state and immigration laws for fun or to bully other people. Again, it's called "unlawful presence" because it's violating existing laws and those laws exist for a reason. Why do people act as if we owe something to illegal aliens or as if we had to find reasons WHY we should deport illegal aliens.

 

[spamking]

No. It seems as if she was brought here as a child and has been a productive member of society the entirety of her life. I don't believe she should be penalized for her parents actions.

But she should be required to become a citizen though . . . right?

 

[spamking]

A kid being dragged by her parents into a foreign country.

Sure she was a kid when she was brought here . . . she's not a kid any longer and one would assume understands the difference between living here as a citizen or as someone without citizenship.

She's had 20 years to apply for citizenship. Has she ever?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Well, if they don't lose that much anyway, then it shouldn't be a problem to simply return to our law pre-Obama's executive orders and to apply the law a bit more strictly, right? We have federal immigration laws in order to maintain control over people entering our country/becoming part of our society and to ensure that we are the ones who set the conditions for immigration, not simply the people who want to enter the country. That's actually kind of the concept of a nation. We don't have borders, a state and immigration laws for fun or to bully other people. Again, it's called "unlawful presence" because it's violating existing laws and those laws exist for a reason. Why do people act as if we owe something to illegal aliens or as if we had to find reasons WHY we should deport illegal aliens.

"Because it's against the law" isn't exactly the answer I was looking for. I know it's against the law. I said that people claim illegals are a drain on the system, and my question was "how?" What part of the system are they draining when America barely has a system to drain, because out of all the western nations America barely even has a social net.

 

[spamking]

And deporting her would make the investment come back?

Might discourage future "investments" . . .

 

[My Spot]

Age is a good indicator. Plus if you are living here you leave evidence.

Age COULD be a good indicator. The problem is an older person could claim they were brought here as a minor against their will and there's nothing to prove otherwise.

 

[KILL KILL]

Sure she was a kid when she was brought here . . . she's not a kid any longer and one would assume understands the difference between living here as a citizen or as someone without citizenship.

She's had 20 years to apply for citizenship. Has she ever?

ask her

 

[KILL KILL]

But she should be required to become a citizen though . . . right?

Currently, she's covered under DACA. I think we would need more information about her personal situation. It can take upwards of a decade to gain citizenship in some cases.

 

[Seano]

"Because it's against the law" isn't exactly the answer I was looking for. I know it's against the law. I said that people claim illegals are a drain on the system, and my question was "how?" What part of the system are they draining when America barely has a system to drain, because out of all the western nations America barely even has a social net.

This was literally the first thing that popped up after searching "cost of illegal immigration."

Illegal immigration costs federal and local taxpayers $113 billion a year. That is an average cost to native-headed households of $1,117 a year.

http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies
Do you believe there is no way that the money spent on illegal immigrants could be used otherwise? I have no right to believe that my tax dollars should be spent on other things than supporting criminals who pay no taxes?

 

[Rod1]

Might discourage future "investments" . . .

How? she didnt chose to move and her parent are not protected in any form.

 

[lecter]

"Because it's against the law" isn't exactly the answer I was looking for.

And it isn't the answer I gave. My point was that there isn't just a law for historical reasons or something but that there are very good reasons for those laws to be applied, independent of anything else.

I know it's against the law. I said that people claim illegals are a drain on the system, and my question was "how?" What part of the system are they draining when America barely has a system to drain, because out of all the western nations America barely even has a social net.

Apart from problems which have nothing to do with draining the system, do you believe education, emergency care, law enforcement services etc don't cost anything? The bigger problem, however, is if you look at the difference in households on welfare programs between (legal) immigrants and native-born US citizens, and then estimate what would happen if you simply make illegal immigration legal, which would make illegal aliens eligible for those programs. It has nothing to do with being mean, it just doesn't work in the real world.

 

[mike sherry]

A kid being dragged by her parents into a foreign country.

no argument there. certainly she has intent to overstay when she's an adult

 

[spamking]

How? she didnt chose to move and her parent are not protected in any form.

How would proper enforcement of immigration laws prevent further illegal immigration? Oh . . . heck, I have no idea how that could possibly impact anything at all.

You asked what could be done to get that "investment" back . . . IMO enforcing immigration laws might not get anything back from those here illegally, but it very well could impact the number of those coming here illegally taking advantage and getting this so-called investment in the first place.

 

[spamking]

Currently, she's covered under DACA. I think we would need more information about her personal situation. It can take upwards of a decade to gain citizenship in some cases.

If you're going to tell me to go ask her about her citizenship status how can you say she's covered under DACA? You think that she's actually applied for DACA coverage and has made some attempt at applying for citizenship?

 

[bushman505]

She has lived in the USA for 20 years. She had plenty of time to apply for citizenship. Send her back home for being irresponsible.

Agree 100%

 

[Joe]

you cant apply for citizenship or legalization if youre here illegally no matter how long youve been here. not even under daca. i always thought people new this?

 

[HomerThompson]

They should provide blanket amnesty to anyone who has been here and is working and contributing to society. Everyone else and anyone with a criminal record should be deported, and then we should make future immigration easier to do legally, and make the penalty for illegally entering the country the inability to ever be made a citizen in the future. We should also crack down on all businesses paying under the table, and force them to pay minimum wage and provide benefits. I'm in favor of jail time for owners and managers who continue to skirt these rules.

 

[Fawlty]

Paul Ryan fielded some tough questions at the town hall the other night. The woman in the video was brought into the country as a child and has lived here for over 20 years. She asked Ryan if he thinks she should be deported. His response.



Short synopsis;
- No, he doesn't think she should be deported
- No mass deportation
- Trump team is focused on violent illegals

What do you guys think? This seems to directly contradict Trump's campaign promises of deporting 11 million illegals. I think many predicted this would occur from the onset.

UPDATE: I can't believe I need to add this, but since so many people failed to comprehend the point of the OP, I'll restate. The question isn't whether YOU believe the woman should be deported, it's whether or not what Paul Ryan says contradicts Trump's campaign promise to deport all illegals.

Trump's immigrant policy will be roughly the same as Obama's (which was roughly the same as Bush's), but probably less efficient. This is all pandering.

 

[silicavaginitis]

If you are here illegally,you should be deported.We have to enforce laws.

Liberals somehow believe breaking the law is okay.
It's not.

 

[peytonlucy]

Certainly liberal Canada can use some diversity, arrange for them to go to Canada.