International Do you support Trump's "soft" invasion of Mexico?

[DoctorTaco]

Because the Mexican government essentially works for the cartels.

I 100% approve of sending special forces. This isn't an act of 'war' as the dumbbell a few posts up said.

This is a police action.

This is what special forces should be used for. Not killing people in the middle east.

Wipe out the cartels and secure the border.

Feels like sending our military into a neighboring country to murder civilians would be a bad idea.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Trump is a obese 80's years old. I doub't he can have a hard anything!

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Feels like sending our military into a neighboring country to murder civilians would be a bad idea.

Narcos aren't civilians in my books. They're a paramilitary force working hand in glove with the Mexican government.

 

[nhbbear]

We will never do what it takes to take out the cartels. Cartels will exist as long as the only market to effectively move their product is a black market.

While I agree, like gangs, they will always exist but we could drive them into hiding instead of how they run shit down there. Of course, when law enforcement cracks down on gangs and cartels, sometimes you see violence rise as things get tough. But come on! You have police officers and politicians owned by the cartels in Mexico and it is a corrupt narco state

 

[DoctorTaco]

Narcos aren't civilians in my books. They're a paramilitary force working hand in glove with the Mexican government.

Ironically their military training comes from retired us military working as contractors.

 

[UberHere]

Conservatives are already pro-war and pro-invasions and Trump isn't even in office yet!

Except for the several in this thread who said they aren’t.

Oops

Mouth; insert foot

 

[Helden]

Conservatives are already pro-war and pro-invasions and Trump isn't even in office yet!

Of course they are. They don't even believe half of the bullshit they say, its all about creating a narrative

 

[heloder]

Because the Mexican government essentially works for the cartels.

I 100% approve of sending special forces. This isn't an act of 'war' as the dumbbell a few posts up said.

This is a police action.

This is what special forces should be used for. Not killing people in the middle east.

Wipe out the cartels and secure the border.

You seem to think that "the cartels" is like a small gang of people wearing The Cartel shirts and residing at The Cartel Building in Mexico. You have no idea what an absolute shit show a war with them would look like. It would be like fighting a guerilla war with ISIS and Al Qaeda, except on our doorstep. Special forces alone would not be able to handle it. We would be there for a very long time, and a huge number of innocent civilians, both there, and here, would be killed.

This is not a case where you can just go in and take out a few gang leaders and the problem disappears.

 

[Swiftie]

What happens if Mexican Special Forces are sent into San Diego to go after a gang who is bringing guns into their country?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

You seem to think that "the cartels" is like a small gang of people wearing The Cartel shirts and residing at The Cartel Building in Mexico. You have no idea what an absolute shit show a war with them would look like. It would be like fighting a guerilla war with ISIS and Al Qaeda, except on our doorstep. Special forces alone would not be able to handle it. We would be there for a very long time, and a huge number of innocent civilians, both there, and here, would be killed.

This is not a case where you can just go in and take out a few gang leaders and the problem disappears.

A lot of civilians are already dying from fentanyl.

 

[UberHere]

Of course they are. They don't even believe half of the bullshit they say, its all about creating a narrative

Mouth; insert foot

A lot of people who are “conservatives” today were democrats in the early 2000’s and are absolutely not pro war.

 

[PBAC]

Losing wars on your own border is very in vogue these days

 

[DoctorTaco]

While I agree, like gangs, they will always exist but we could drive them into hiding instead of how they run shit down there. Of course, when law enforcement cracks down on gangs and cartels, sometimes you see violence rise as things get tough. But come on! You have police officers and politicians owned by the cartels in Mexico and it is a corrupt narco state

Showing up with our military as an occupying force, killing bad guys and then trying to train and install good guys into that power vacuum hoping they don’t become corrupt as well was our playbook for Iraq.

I can’t imagine it would go any better in Mexico

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I mean I don't necessarily disagree that a lot of our policing on the issue is draconian, especially on the end users.

I just don't think legalizing things would put a dent in the problem. Softer policing might help those end users, but the incentive to make money while avoiding government scrutiny is there and always will be.

The real solution to America's drug problem would be long term investment in education and rehabilitation, as well as real investment into America's most drug stricken communities. Solutions I wouldn't expect anyone on America's right to even begin to entertain because it would involve actually spending money on America's people rather than catering to billionaires.

People don't abuse drugs just because they have access to them. They abuse drugs because our leaders have provided them with such a shit existence that drug abuse is a better alternative.

- I do agree with you in all. About the hl part. Liberating drugs woud lead to opther problems. I started a thread years ago, that a guy that stuck his penis on a metal bench, because he was high and horny. That would become common.

Here the places weres they use drug, the prostitution is rampant.

I get the jist of what you’re saying but a lot of drug addicts do contribute to society. Go to any construction site or building where roofing is being done. You’ll find several people on those sites that regularly smoke crack, sniff coke, or pop opioid pain pills.

- I've worked construction. I never knew anyone that used crack. They do drink a lot, some do use coke or snort coke. I dont thin opioid pills are common here, unless you're in the competitive bodybuilding scene.

 

[ChosenOne]

The cartels regenerate in the current system because they have nothing to fear. US Special Forces is something to fear.

hahaha, tell me you are not that dumb?

You believe if the US goes in and shoots up cartels, then no new drug cartels or drug dealers will step up, as the price for drugs skyrockets as supply to the US slows down.

ZOMFG you have to be the most daft person on earth to believe that.

Have you seen what the cartels do to rival cartels and yet that does not stop rivals from constantly appearing.

 

[ChosenOne]

While I agree, like gangs, they will always exist but we could drive them into hiding instead of how they run shit down there. Of course, when law enforcement cracks down on gangs and cartels, sometimes you see violence rise as things get tough. But come on! You have police officers and politicians owned by the cartels in Mexico and it is a corrupt narco state

Well then since America is the law and order place how about focusing on the US border and gaining control of that and cutting off the guns being sent into Mexico to pay for the drugs?

Why are you guys acting like that is not even an option to consider when you obviously think America could do it easily as they are not as corrupt as Mexico so we should be able to control the US border in a way the Mexicans cannot.

 

[KnightTemplar]

"88 politicians or candidates were killed between September 2020 and the June 2021 Mexican legislative election.[6]"

List of politicians killed in the Mexican drug war - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This is probably the reason.

The cartels kill all threats to themselves within Mexico, and all politicians in Mexico are suspected to be installed by cartels or paid off by the cartels.

Even to mostly honest politicians, if given the choice to do what you're told and you get well paid.... or you and your family are hideously murdered... is an easy choice to make.
Some don't even need the death threat.

Silver or Lead.

 

[Contempt]

Trump is planning on sending special forces to Mexico to take out the cartels. Do you support this? I don't think the Mexican government approves of this.

I'm not American or Mexican but fuck yeah I support it.

If we had criminal organisations pumping billions of dollars of drugs into Australia, causing untold crime, death and misery, I would 100% support the SAS being sent over there to fuck all kinds of shit up.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

hahaha, tell me you are not that dumb?

You believe if the US goes in and shoots up cartels, then no new drug cartels or drug dealers will step up, as the price for drugs skyrockets as supply to the US slows down.

ZOMFG you have to be the most daft person on earth to believe that.

Have you seen what the cartels do to rival cartels and yet that does not stop rivals from constantly appearing.

I think it would certainly have more of an effect than the current system where the cartels just do whatever the fuck they want, yeah.

 

[Contempt]

Special Forces = police action.

This is a special kind of stupid.

The Middle East...are you aware of where opium even comes from?

Just say you dont know what you're talking about and that you think any War Daddy wants is a good one.

How would you perform a "police action" against organisations with military hardware, except with others utilising military hardware?