Do you pronounce "short-lived" wrong?

[Madmick]

Short lived means lived a short life. As in the verb.

Ding ding ding!!!

Verbs can be conjugated.

 

[Volador]

Short lived means lived a short life. As in the verb.

Well, when something has a short life (noun), it obviously means it lives a short time. But that's not related to how the word is constructed. The etymology of the word refers to a description (short, long) of the life that belongs to a certain thing, and comes from the noun life. Check any etymological source you'd like, and you'll find the same thing. Something that has a life is "lifed," just like something that has hair is "haired." And if the life or the hair is short, then you say "short-lived" or "short-haired." It's exactly the same construction.

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Etymology​

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From short +‎ lived (“having a life, lifed”), equivalent to short +‎ life +‎ -ed. Compare Middle English short-livi, sort-levi (“short-lived”).

Usage notes​

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• The pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlaɪvd/ (the second syllable rhyming with dived) is more consistent with the etymology (since the term comes from the noun life rather than the verb live), and was formerly more common; however, the pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlɪvd/ (the second syllable pronounced as the verb lived) is more common today.

Anotha one:

Usage Note: The pronunciation (-līvd) is etymologically correct since the compound is derived from the noun life, rather than from the verb live. But the pronunciation (-lĭvd) is by now so common that it cannot be considered an error. In our 2005 survey, 90 percent of the Usage Panel found (-lĭvd) acceptable and 75 percent found (-līvd) acceptable.

short-lived

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[PaddyO'malley]

I was finna drop sum knowledge but seem like mandem got it down good job 6ixdog

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I will never pronounce that with the long i sound. Never.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Well, when something has a short life (noun), it obviously means it lives a short time. But that's not related to how the word is constructed. The etymology of the word refers to a description (short, long) of the life that belongs to a certain thing, and comes from the noun life. Check any etymological source you'd like, and you'll find the same thing. Something that has a life is "lifed," just like something that has hair is "haired." And if the life or the hair is short, then you say "short-lived" or "short-haired." It's exactly the same construction.

short-lived - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Etymology​

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From short +‎ lived (“having a life, lifed”), equivalent to short +‎ life +‎ -ed. Compare Middle English short-livi, sort-levi (“short-lived”).

Usage notes​

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• The pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlaɪvd/ (the second syllable rhyming with dived) is more consistent with the etymology (since the term comes from the noun life rather than the verb live), and was formerly more common; however, the pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlɪvd/ (the second syllable pronounced as the verb lived) is more common today.

Anotha one:

Usage Note: The pronunciation (-līvd) is etymologically correct since the compound is derived from the noun life, rather than from the verb live. But the pronunciation (-lĭvd) is by now so common that it cannot be considered an error. In our 2005 survey, 90 percent of the Usage Panel found (-lĭvd) acceptable and 75 percent found (-līvd) acceptable.

short-lived

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Thank God you're in this thread. You do a much better job of explaining it than I did.

 

[Fedorgasm]

I will never pronounce that with the long i sound. Never.

I could even accept this as long as you admit that the root word is the noun "life" and not the verb "live"

Then you'd be saying, "I understand that I'm pronouncing it in a way that used to be wrong but it's generally accepted now so fuck you."

I could totally live with that.

What I can't live with is all these dudes who are saying, the root is the verb lived with a short i and it's never been wrong to say it that way.

 

[Iroh]

Well, when something has a short life (noun), it obviously means it lives a short time. But that's not related to how the word is constructed. The etymology of the word refers to a description (short, long) of the life that belongs to a certain thing, and comes from the noun life. Check any etymological source you'd like, and you'll find the same thing. Something that has a life is "lifed," just like something that has hair is "haired." And if the life or the hair is short, then you say "short-lived" or "short-haired." It's exactly the same construction.

short-lived - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Etymology​

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From short +‎ lived (“having a life, lifed”), equivalent to short +‎ life +‎ -ed. Compare Middle English short-livi, sort-levi (“short-lived”).

Usage notes​

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• The pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlaɪvd/ (the second syllable rhyming with dived) is more consistent with the etymology (since the term comes from the noun life rather than the verb live), and was formerly more common; however, the pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlɪvd/ (the second syllable pronounced as the verb lived) is more common today.

Anotha one:

Usage Note: The pronunciation (-līvd) is etymologically correct since the compound is derived from the noun life, rather than from the verb live. But the pronunciation (-lĭvd) is by now so common that it cannot be considered an error. In our 2005 survey, 90 percent of the Usage Panel found (-lĭvd) acceptable and 75 percent found (-līvd) acceptable.

short-lived

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So why isn't it written as short-lifed?

 

[Fedorgasm]

So why isn't it written as short-lifed?

It really should be. And a cat would have "9 lifes"

But of course English isn't always logical.

I mean someone who's been in the military for a long time is called a "lifer" not a "liver" LOL

 

[Iroh]

It really should be. And a cat would have "9 lifes"

But of course English isn't always logical.

I mean someone who's been in the military for a long time is called a "lifer" not a "liver" LOL

It rarely ever is, bud. Lol

You should start a petition to get the spelling changed, IMO.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Well, when something has a short life (noun), it obviously means it lives a short time. But that's not related to how the word is constructed. The etymology of the word refers to a description (short, long) of the life that belongs to a certain thing, and comes from the noun life. Check any etymological source you'd like, and you'll find the same thing. Something that has a life is "lifed," just like something that has hair is "haired." And if the life or the hair is short, then you say "short-lived" or "short-haired." It's exactly the same construction.

short-lived - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Etymology​

[edit]
From short +‎ lived (“having a life, lifed”), equivalent to short +‎ life +‎ -ed. Compare Middle English short-livi, sort-levi (“short-lived”).

Usage notes​

[edit]

• The pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlaɪvd/ (the second syllable rhyming with dived) is more consistent with the etymology (since the term comes from the noun life rather than the verb live), and was formerly more common; however, the pronunciation /ʃɔɹtˈlɪvd/ (the second syllable pronounced as the verb lived) is more common today.

Anotha one:

Usage Note: The pronunciation (-līvd) is etymologically correct since the compound is derived from the noun life, rather than from the verb live. But the pronunciation (-lĭvd) is by now so common that it cannot be considered an error. In our 2005 survey, 90 percent of the Usage Panel found (-lĭvd) acceptable and 75 percent found (-līvd) acceptable.

short-lived

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of short-lived by The Free Dictionary

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Alright then, I guess @Fedorgasm was right all along. But at what cost?? From now on he’s going to have a reputation as Sherdog’s most pedantic asshole. Was it really worth it?

 

[Fedorgasm]

Alright then, I guess @Fedorgasm was right all along. But at what cost?? From now on he’s going to have a reputation as Sherdog’s most pedantic asshole. Was it really worth it?

At least they'll have something to write on my tombstone now

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

At least they'll have something to write on my tombstone now

Hopefully you’ll be long-lifed and they won’t need to write your epitaph for many years to come.

 

[IDL]

I was finna drop sum knowledge but seem like mandem got it down good job 6ixdog

You really shouldn't be posting in threads that have to do with proper English

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I could even accept this as long as you admit that the root word is the noun "life" and not the verb "live"

So you’re saying that the “lived” in short-lived is a noun and not a verb?

 

[High Test With da Best]

Alright then, I guess @Fedorgasm was right all along. But at what cost?? From now on he’s going to have a reputation as Sherdog’s most pedantic asshole. Was it really worth it?

At least they'll have something to write on my tombstone now

Well you still have some practice to complete.

For example you misspelled "pronouns" in the thread title.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I’m 52 years old and have never heard someone say it with a long I. Is this some European crap?

No he’s just wrong. It has the long I sound in “live” because the word ends in E. When you add the D, the word no longer ends in E so it no longer makes the long vowel sound

 

[Strijfy]

"short-lived" means something has a short life. So it has a long i sound like the word "hive"

So many people are saying it with the short i sound that most sources now claim that it's an "accepted" pronunciation.

Which is bullshit. Just because so many people get it wrong doesn't mean it's suddenly right.

If most people thought 2+2 = 5 then should we make 5 an acceptable answer to that equation?

its an american thing isnt it ? Ive never in all my 50 plus years of speaking real Queens English say it the way you are saying.

 

[FyrFytr998]

No he’s just wrong. It has the long I sound in “live” because the word ends in E. When you add the D, the word no longer ends in E so it no longer makes the long vowel sound

I salute your commitment to proper grammar.