Do You Have A Staple Supplement?

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  1. LWatcher

    LWatcher White Belt

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    What exactly is a staple supplement?



    I have been using this term for the longest time with the meaning of a supplement that I use all the time. One that I have in the house at my disposal for daily use. One that I make sure to take without fail. One that looks good on top of the fridge or dresser.



    Well, after pondering the definition of a staple supplement tonight it hit me that it is really much more than that.



    A staple supplement to me is one that I must have on hand at all times because it simply means more to me, my training, my well being, and my future goals than any of my other supplements that I take at any time. In other words it's the most important supplement I have and I take it for a reason, because I know it works above and beyond my expectations. It's a supplement that when the bottle starts to get low I start to feel anxiety and worry that I may run out, that the order or delivery may not make it before it's time to pop the top of the next bottle.



    A staple supplement is an addiction that every athlete and bodybuilder has, sometimes secretly, sometimes openly, sometimes in denial, but everybody has one, and for me that one is Leverage Performance Cissus Rx!!



    Every since I first started taking it I knew I was hooked and there was no return. I knew, from that moment on, that it would be on my dresser every morning for me to consume without fail, without thought, but yet a normal routine that would span my every morning.



    For that I hail my staple supplement CISSUS Rx!!



    Do you have a staple supplement?
     
  2. Madmick

    Madmick Freedom!!! Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Fucking weak.

    Do I have a staple supplement? Yeah, but it's not bullshit like Cissus Rx. It's whey protein.
     
  3. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    Whey is a great supplement but to lable Cissus RX as bullshit with out evidence is foolish.

    Here is a testimonial from ALBERTO CRANE. You may contact Alberto if you question the legitamacy of the testimonial.

    I ordered a bottle of Cissus this spring because I had Broken my wrist last
    May. I had tried everything to make it better ,things like Acupuncture,
    Prolotherapy, other supplements, EVERYTHING short of surgery and after close to a
    year it was still not better. After I began to take Cissus, miraculously it
    finally began to HEAL. I could not BELIEVE IT !
    I recommend this to any athlete who has an injury. Especially to those
    who can't afford to stop training! Order a bottle today, you will not be
    sorry!!!

    Sincerely,
    Alberto Crane [email protected] santefebjj.com
    1st Degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt
    Accomplished Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Submission Grappling, and Mixed Martial
    Arts Competitor and Coach
     
  4. Rjkd12

    Rjkd12 Certified Bastard

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    From a company that seems to talk so much about real scientific research it is amusing that you put up a case study to prove the efficacy of your supplement. I"m sure I can find a testimonial that alcohol is someones favorite supplelement and that they take/need it more than ciccus RX.


    Its funny how three of the cited sources are from 1963, 1975, and 1976 (quite old) are from the same group, the Indian Journal of Medical Research, a mediocre journal at best (not because its not from the US, its just not that great of a journal).

    The fifth source has nothing to do with your product, and the 7th doesn't make any sense to me as there is no title (but only talks about antioxidant effects so it isn't important).

    The fourth looks great until you realize it was done on ovariectomized rats, which are rats that had their ovaries removed. So, therefore if you are a rat without ovaries, I would recommend this drug for sure.

    I don't have time to look up the 6th, but it just states that it is an antioxidant and therefore not under scrutiny since it doesn't matter if it is or not.

    The whole "anabolic" part has no cited sources and therefore is worthless.

    Seems like a great article until you read a bit more carefully. Before when people said "you can find a study to promote anything and therefore they are all worthless" is incorrect. The fourth and fith studies (the only ones I really read and the most recent ones) are fine, but they do not promote his product at all. They are used to mislead the public about his product and make them think they are promoting it and showing its efficacy. If the first 3 were true and relevant, trust me, with a product this amazing there would be a study after 1976 to further prove it and find exactly how it works.

    Science is good with a close eye, but when people market a product and show "studies" that supposidly promote the product they are giving science a bad name.
     
  5. Rjkd12

    Rjkd12 Certified Bastard

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    Hey, do you have those articles for the three papers in the 70's and 60's? I'm curious how you have the information since they are not even online. I just doubt you went to the library and looked up the indian journal of medicine, or that (even assuming you have access to a large university medical library) they have the indian journal of medical reseach.

    Also, I did a search on Cissus quadrangularis in pubmed (a scientific journal database) and found that there are only a few studies on it. One was for helping with gastric ulcers, one was the rat ovarectomized study and then a bunch of 1970's and before papers.

    If this was such a wonder drug there would be more research on it, plain and simple. There is no reasearch on it for the same reason there are no scientific research articles on chewing gum and increasing testosterone. It doesn't work and nobody cares.
     
  6. Rjkd12

    Rjkd12 Certified Bastard

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    Haha, does this disqualify me for the free sample?
     
  7. JackDaniels

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    I need my myoplex after workouts.
     
  8. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    Your points are valid.

    I am search PUBMED and find many compounds that look good on paper and translate to crap IN VIVO. We did the best with what was available to present an objective opinion.

    NO2 supplements, Science will explain that increasing Nitric Oxide levels will lead to death. This is science no hearsay. NO2 supplements are a million dollar supplement with every company under the sun marketing it. Are we dieing off of [email protected] poisoning.

    Correct, Marketing scientific references is a form of marketing deceit some company
     
  9. BoxingFanNoMore

    BoxingFanNoMore Blue Belt

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    Seriously, do you really expect us to believe this crap? Isnt this the guy who spammed the shit out of the this boards a couple of weeks ago, just pretending to be an exicted customer.

    I dont want to bash your product, but the way you are going about trying to hype this shit is ridiculous. Your product may be everything you say it is and more, but alot of people are going to be turned off to your company by this kind of stuff.

    I see you posted other studies mostly from India in another thread, I was wondering if your company has done any research and have submitted any papers or studies for review to any American medicine or health journals. Not to discredit the Indian Journal of medicine, but when you have studies from countries who stand to make money exporting the thing they are studying can tend to raise some questions. Say for example, I was researching coffee I wouldnt look to studies coming out from Columbia.

    Also, you say you have a patent pending, what exactly does this patent cover? Is this your patent " Use of the plant Cissus quadrangularis or its extracts for osteo-health including prevention or mitigation of degenerative disease, fracture healing and anabolic increase in osteo tissues"

    Becuase you mention anabolic properties of Cissus, yet one study you provided is tilted

    "EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES"

    and the patent application only mention anabolic with this statment

    "Cissus quadrangularis is shown to neutralize the anti-anabolic effect of steroid-like cortisone in the healing of fractures. Antianabolic effects of cortisone include inhibition of tissue regeneration and repair, and additionally retarding formation of specific skeletal structures."

    Is the evedince of anabolic increases only coming out of the studies where the use of cortisone is used?
     
  10. jerseygrappler

    jerseygrappler Brown Belt

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    i like my creatine/cellmass by bsn
     
  11. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    Watcher is not part of my business and was for warned about the spamming. I asked administration to delete all the threads. E-mail garret he will confirm it.

    I have another company called USPlabs that markets to the bodybuilding community. You can visit anabolicminds.com and read many real word reports on the effectiveness. We are not a new company just new to the grappling world. Visit anabolicminds.com and e-mail the administrator of the board and its various members for feedback.

    "Cissus quadrangularis is shown to neutralize the anti-anabolic effect of steroid-like cortisone in the healing of fractures. Antianabolic effects of cortisone include inhibition of tissue regeneration and repair, and additionally retarding formation of specific skeletal structures."

    Is the evidence of anabolic increases only coming out of the studies where the use of cortisone is used?"

    YES--what
     
  12. Rjkd12

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    Objective? Although you are giving it away for free now, please, we all know you are selling it later.

    I would believe that science is correct in the fact that increasing NO2 will kill you. I would rather believe that NO2 doesn't increase actual NO2 at all, it doesn't increase it in the same area locally, or it doesn't increase it enough to kill someone. Viagra blocks NO2 uptake and therefore keeps it in circulation and that doesn't kill people. So I would assume your science is off.

     
  13. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    Objective? Although you are giving it away for free now, please, we all know you are selling it later.

    Thats not rocket science. Is the free samples bomb who is going to buy? I fail to see the logic.
     
  14. LeveRAGE.tv

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    I would believe that science is correct in the fact that increasing NO2 will kill you. I would rather believe that NO2 doesn't increase actual NO2 at all, it doesn't increase it in the same area locally, or it doesn't increase it enough to kill someone. Viagra blocks NO2 uptake and therefore keeps it in circulation and that doesn't kill people. So I would assume your science is off.

    Statement makes no sense.


    "You are right, real case studies are what people want. Look at infomercials. If you believe case studies you think hydroxycut can help you lose 50 lbs in a month and that you really can buy and sell houses while sitting on the pot every morning and gross over 5 million a year. Case studies are bullshit and you know it."

    This board is not an informercial. How many infomercials allow you to contact the person? Sherdog is a community that speaks through threads so you have the ability contact the user and ask questions. IF Garret used our product, He will post his opinion than the consumer can ask him questions. Would you not believe Garret or another respected members opinion. The consumer wants honesty. IT does not get much more honest then providing free samples and allowing for unbiased feedback.

    Since my approach of Giving away FREE product is such bad marketing. What do you suggest? I will listen. Please do advise, I love constructive feedback.
     
  15. Rjkd12

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    i asked you to go over my points and you said no. Earlier boxing fan said that the study was only for patients who get cortisone shots. You asked how that is relevant. I respond with that if I ever get a cortisone shot I'll consider your product.

    I will stop pestering you because I know your hands are tied. You are doing the best you can with what you have. You are a good salseman.

    But with the product. How do they sell those infomercials? We all know you can't make millions selling real estate in your robe 2 hours a day. Yet, they get a few case studies that say their product is great and they sell it.

    They had great reviews for those ab belts that they have proven again and again they don't work. You'll always find a sucker to say its a great product. Hell, you already found one. If you pay someone, you'll get a better testimonial. Don't forget placebo. With the crap you spew people assume its going to work and therefore they feel great after taking it.

    If the free sample bombs, we'll never know. You will not post a bad testamonial, even if its representative of the group who's taken it.
     
  16. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    "You should have the burden of proving to us you are credible. There are no free lunches"

    Whats more credible then getting your peers to reveiw a product for Free. I rest all the financial burden on my shoulders if the feedback bombs. Again, Please point out where I have gone wrong.

    Of course, We are going to charge after the reviews flow in. From that logic, I assume you work for free.
     
  17. BoxingFanNoMore

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  18. LeveRAGE.tv

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    Like cortisone, cortisol is classed as a glucocorticoid. So a cortisone shot increase circulating cortisol. Very important to understand the exongenous administration of cortisone is not the only way to increase circulating cortisol.

    Cortisol increases with stress, with fasting, with overtraining, and excess cortisol tears down bone. Cortisone shots are not used to heal. They are used to kill associated pain. You feel no pain but you continue to damage the injury.

    This only proves the power of Cissus to combact cortisol because if it can reverse supraphysiological leverls of exogenous cortisol imagine how it can help with endogenous release of cortisol. The study makes perfect sense to our logic.

    About your info commercial comparison, Again you fail to see the logic or you read blindly so I will quote my last thread.

    "This board is not an informercial. How many infomercials allow you to contact the person? Sherdog is a community that speaks through threads so you have the ability contact the user and ask questions. IF Garret used our product, He will post his opinion than the consumer can ask him questions. Would you not believe Garret or another respected members opinion. The consumer wants honesty. IT does not get much more honest then providing free samples and allowing for unbiased feedback."

    The only way I can control the User from posting his results is through hypnosis and mind control but thats our next product:}
     
  19. LeveRAGE.tv

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    The patent you are refering to is by another company called integritynut. We have a patent pending.

    I agree 100% with the multiple post watcher was bad for business. Please visit this thread http://www.clutchfitness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=227&PN=1

    Please not the date the thread was started. He excepted a free trial at his home board and loved the results. Please contact the administrator of the board and other moderators of any board that USPlabs advertises on. They are not in the business to lie or decieve. I sent free trials to board owners, moderators and members just like I have done here at sherdog. His intentions are good, but he failed to see the negative of posting repeated threads and how it comes off. I contacted garret and had them removed because I understand the fragile nature of my businees.

    take care
     
  20. LeveRAGE.tv

    LeveRAGE.tv White Belt

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    Your saying coach D is a liar?
     
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