yeah sure but when measuring greatness head to head, All things considered fair (roids) lots of jones opponents have used steroids or other banned substances too, so where do we draw the line? we say that jones cheated and was on roids, but machinda, Chael, Vitor all have similar violations as well. So he too, was maybe just fighting on an even playing ground. It's all too speculative for me to just eliminate people from the coversation. I find that a lot of people dont like jones so they exclude him for that reason, but they'll keep Anderson.... or whomever.