Legit question - Do you consider Conor a GOAT?
Cleaned out the FW and stopped the LW champion. That alone should get him discussion for top 10 all time, right?
We just ignore these unmotivated losses to Khabib and Poirier at the end of his career and he should get credit for moving up and taking on the much bigger Nate Diaz, despite losing, right?
Do you consider bJ top 10 all time?
thats not saying much. Khabib never fought WW in any major org. Just 3 times against regional randoms. Even all his M1 days were LW I think.He is the greatest LW ever, only behind Khabib, and not by much.
Plus he has much greater accomplishments at WW than Khabib.
So it's fair to say yes, he is up there in the top10 all-time
I don't see it quite the same way...
At which point do you deserve the line? When he stopped being champion? When he started his losing streak? When he moved down in weight? When he fought(and lost to) Frankie Edgar for the 57th time?.
I don't see it quite the same way...
At which point do you deserve the line? When he stopped being champion? When he started his losing streak? When he moved down in weight? When he fought(and lost to) Frankie Edgar for the 57th time?
You can't ignore the fact he cleared out a division, fought at various weight classes and performed well, and was considered GOAT at one point...... Sadly you can't ignore his own delusional attempts to reclaim what he lost... The BJ that beat Diego Sanchez would have demolished all that came thereafter, but he still lost a decision to Dennis Siver, and got bitched by Ryan Hall...
Anderson Silva is my all-time favourite - the same applies to him too... Once the magic has gone, you're only harming your legacy by sticking around...
thats not saying much. Khabib never fought WW in any major org. Just 3 times against regional randoms. Even all his M1 days were LW I think.
Jordan, Diego, and a lot of boxers don'tstay at that level though - they take the path of winding down their careers in the lower leagues though - Jordan even went to pay baseball - even Fedor gets half a pass for slumming it with Bellator and Affliction... There was always an asterisk. We knew the time had passed.From when he KOed #1 LW Uno in 2001 to his draw with long time #2 WW Fitch in 2011. A full decade in the elite.
If we were talking about a flash in the pan, you would have a better case but a full decade body of work?
Not enough for you to give him credit for what it was?
You dont see boxing pundits talking about the dozen or half a dozen of losses to Sivers and Halls in his late career. Not even remotely is brought into the discussion, let alone wth the emphasis many haters/noob/shertards do when assessing BJ's career in these boards.
Let alone in non combat sports. lol imagine anybody brining that tone into a discussion about Michael Jordan or Diego Maradona
Legit question - Don't you see the differences?
> BJ beat 9 or 10 top ranked LWs
> Conor beat 2? 3? 4 being generous? top ranked FWs
> Hughes was a champion with 5 defenses and is still in 2023 regarded top3 GOAT WW
> Alvarez is/was none of that
> Nate Diaz is not GSP nor Lyoto Machida. Not in skill nor in size
So you don't see the differences? You should check that
Jordan, Diego, and a lot of boxers don'tstay at that level though - they take the path of winding down their careers in the lower leagues though - Jordan even went to pay baseball - even Fedor gets half a pass for slumming it with Bellator and Affliction... There was always an asterisk. We knew the time had passed.
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Anderson Silva is my all-time favourite - the same applies to him too... Once the magic has gone, you're only harming your legacy by sticking around...
JI'll always defend him as a part of the "GOAT LWs" conversation, but the more time passes the more polished resumes are going to come into that "Top 10 All Time" bracket that make BJ's dark times seem extra gloomy.
Do Bronx and maybe even Edgar are ahead of him imo.
Not sure what you mean. It seems you didnt get my original post.
Im saying that if you have a guy who is #2 in one of the most stacked divisions in the sport and has great accomplishments at WW in top of that, it's fair to say he is in the top10 across the 8 different weightclasses. By pure numbers logic.