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Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 219 55.4%
  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 113 28.6%
  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 7.1%
  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.6%
  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 17 4.3%

  • Total voters
    395
Good now Obama can join Trump and Bill Clinton in federal prison
I'm down with that if Obama broke a law. This bullshit ain't it and I think you know that. You are just classic "both sides" 'ing it. Clinton got on Epstein Air for sure, as did Trump. Obama is above reproach, and it kills you guys.
 
And what I find to be remarkable is that Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and yet he manipulates these people with ease. How stupid do you have to be to be manipulated by an idiot like Trump? Is it willful? Like they know its bullshit but its team sports so they'll go along with it anyway? Or are they really just that fucking dumb?
I mean, they've proven time and again to be that dumb. I don't know if it's possible to be more convincing than they are.
 
Reports from federal prosecutors indicate that Jeffrey Epstein's alleged sexual abuse of minors on his private islands in the U.S. Virgin Islands, including Little St. James and Great St. James, began around 2002 and continued through 2018.

So there is a two year discrepancy, but Trump was never on any flight logs going to those islands. He was on his plane 7 times between 1993-1997 and the flights were between Palm Beach and New York, including a stop in Washington, D.C. And he was also with his then wife Marla Maples and daughter.

This all came out during the Maxwell trial.

NY Times: A Timeline of What We Know About Trump and Epstein

But I don't love this argument, in my mind, because Epstein was accused of abusing women in both NYC and Palm Beach, in addition to the island (during that timeframe).

Therefore, the idea that Trump had to be on the island to be involved isn't fair, imo.

I also think, life on the line, we would both bet Epstein was committing atrocities prior to 02.


Any of his donors - billionaires, very probable Mossad connection, etc. Incredibly naive to think Trump is not beholden to his donors. They literally gave him 1.2 billion through the Republican committee and an additional $849 million over the same period. Why the fuck wouldn't Trump be beholden to his donors. Of course he is. He does their bidding.

Even Bill Clinton flew on his plane half a dozen times.

And for the record, I don't think Clinton banged any underage girls either. He mostly used his plane to travel to Europe, Asia, and Africa in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation.

But powerful people like that don't want to be tainted with any connection to Epstein so of course they want it kept quiet as possible.

I respectfully disagree on Clinton because he has just as much smoke as Trump, imo.

However, "the billionaires" is a fair and direct answer to my question. But I don't love that take either, however, because let's take a look at his donors:

📊 Combined Totals Table (Approximate Lifetime Giving to Trump Campaign & Aligned PACs)​

Donor(s)Estimated Total Contributions
Elon Musk~$280–290 million (virtually all in 2024)
Timothy Mellon~ $150 million (in 2024 cycle)
Miriam Adelson~ $110–150 million (in 2024)
Richard & Elizabeth Uihlein (combined)~ $100–140 million (in 2024)
Kenneth Griffin~$100 million+
Jeff & Janine Yass (combined)~$96–101 million
Paul Singer~$63–67 million
Top 5 Combined Estimated Total~ $900 million+

So we're saying Donald Trump is willing to publicly feud with and threaten to deport his #1 donor (by a margin), but he's so subservient to the Mellons, Uihleins, Griffins, etc (I think ghost of Sheldon unlikely), thats he's willing to cover up the fact that all or some of these billionaires had a prior unknown relationship with Epstein and were involved?

Because remember, the argument isn't simply that "Trump is beholden to his donors". The argument is that Trump's covering up Epstein's crimes to protect them. And also, of course, that these billionaires are able to kill or harm somehow the POTUS without consequence.

Isn't it simply more likely the guy who was close to Epstein is prolly just covering for himself?
 
It's his own posts for something he claimed he "never believed" from 5 years after the accusations already fell apart, you complete idiot. You having trouble reading again?<lol>
You fucking failed badly tying to tar me with your very broad brush and that whole "point" was just trying desperately to divert from the actual topic

Someone questioned the quality of rolling stones as a source so I posted others lol

Hardly evidence of what you claim

What a hard fucking fail

You really should take the hard L and move on
 
I'm down with that if Obama broke a law. This bullshit ain't it and I think you know that. You are just classic "both sides" 'ing it. Clinton got on Epstein Air for sure, as did Trump. Obama is above reproach, and it kills you guys.
Obama was much worse than either one of those guys and you know it, just look at his taste in guitars. How could anyone support this ?

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Exactly. I already know what kind of "sources" he's going to post. Its a waste of time.
I ignored that retard but I assume you're talking about me. What sources will I post? man up or admit you're out of your element pussy
 
Says the person that is running interference for a guy that fucks kids. Not a good look, Skippy.

I'm just curious if the staff is going to allow new standards here of calling public figures "kid fuckers" / :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes and to be able to constantly derail threads that are not the topic of your choice?

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On topic, watching you run interference for an administration that committed straight up treason is telling. It shares with everyone exactly who you are.

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But I don't love this argument, in my mind, because Epstein was accused of abusing women in both NYC and Palm Beach, in addition to the island (during that timeframe).

Therefore, the idea that Trump had to be on the island to be involved isn't fair, imo.

I also think, life on the line, we would both bet Epstein was committing atrocities prior to 02.

Yea but Trump was on the plane with his wife and daughter as well as staff. Kind of doubt he's banging girls with them in tow.

Seems like you just really WANT it to be true so you're trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

I respectfully disagree on Clinton because he has just as much smoke as Trump, imo.

I mean he didn't go to the island according to the flight logs so. Pretty sure Clinton is a horndog sleazeball, but there's simply no proof he was banging Epstein's girls.

However, "the billionaires" is a fair and direct answer to my question. But I don't love that take either, however, because let's take a look at his donors:

📊 Combined Totals Table (Approximate Lifetime Giving to Trump Campaign & Aligned PACs)​

Donor(s)Estimated Total Contributions
Elon Musk~$280–290 million (virtually all in 2024)
Timothy Mellon~ $150 million (in 2024 cycle)
Miriam Adelson~ $110–150 million (in 2024)
Richard & Elizabeth Uihlein (combined)~ $100–140 million (in 2024)
Kenneth Griffin~$100 million+
Jeff & Janine Yass (combined)~$96–101 million
Paul Singer~$63–67 million
Top 5 Combined Estimated Total~ $900 million+

He also got tons of "dark money" through various Superpacs as well as 1.2 billion directly from the Republican National Committee which represents all the standard players - Big Pharm, Insurance, etc. Substantially bigger players than Elon Musk alone.

So we're saying Donald Trump is willing to publicly feud with and threaten to deport his #1 donor (by a margin), but he's so subservient to the Mellons, Uihleins, Griffins, etc (I think ghost of Sheldon unlikely), thats he's willing to cover up the fact that all or some of these billionaires had a prior unknown relationship with Epstein and were involved?

Because remember, the argument isn't simply that "Trump is beholden to his donors". The argument is that Trump's covering up Epstein's crimes to protect them. And also, of course, that these billionaires are able to kill or harm somehow the POTUS without consequence.

You're saying he's not beholden to anyone then? LMAO c'mon. That is fucking retarded.

And I'm pretty sure Epstein was connected to Mossad too. Maxwell's dad was most probably a Mossad operative and former prime minister Ehud Barak was at his place multiple times.

Isn't it simply more likely the guy who was close to Epstein is prolly just covering for himself?

If he was so scared of exposure for himself, he wouldn't have made it this huge fucking deal for months. That makes zero sense.

Trump, Bondi and others kept publicly talking about it over an over. Even until very recently.

Then he does this abrupt about face.

Are you denying there are probably a ton of influential and powerful people that want to keep the Epstein files quiet? Shit seems pretty fucking obvious. The dude got killed in prison.
 
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