Do you believe Jones would fight Ngannou?

[Pancake Sprawl]

no. why would he fight him now? he had the chance and asked for 20m. i don't think Jon is scared of any individual fighter but i do think he's terrified of losing and HW is a very dangerous weight class no matter what you think of their skill level.

 

[Shilajit]

no. why would he fight him now? he had the chance and asked for 20m. i don't think Jon is scared of any individual fighter but i do think he's terrified of losing and HW is a very dangerous weight class no matter what you think of their skill level.

According to Dana, who also says Ngannou is too scared to fight now.



Are you an expert on fighter pay? You know what he's worth too?

He obviously wanted more money to fight for the HW title, rightfully so. And at the end of the day, he got it.

The kicker is, the only way he was getting that money is if he fought for the belt.

So this idea of him only coming back when Ngannou left is nonsense.

Unless you think he's been training to be a heavyweight for years just for fun.

Frank could've signed the contract but didn't. That's really the end of the discussion. Everything is just being disconnected from reality and creating fantasies.

 

[Tweak896]

Yes. They say it takes 3 people to make a fight happen, UFC and both fighters. Jones and Ngannou were both going to make the most money against each other. Also it's a pretty good matchup for both guys style wise, they both have what people think is needed to beat their opponent. I think it was pretty much the UFC not trying to resign Ngannou unless they could keep him locked down.

 

[laleggenda27]

It takes comprehension.

He priced himself high because he knew he wasn’t where he needed to be to compete at HW. That’s smart. If he was going to risk his legacy before he felt prepared why not go high? He felt too small for HW and then he felt too fat and off when he was 260lb. He found a place where he felt ready and came back.

Jon came out of retirement while NNN was being negotiated. Gane was a result of negotiation failure. It’s not like he came out right after they couldn’t sign NNN, an alternate fight was announced when resigning NNN was completely off the table.

Neither is afraid of each other. Both men wanted reward for risks. Jon made the deal when he felt like he was ready and NNN opted out because he felt like he could make more as a free agent. Can’t hate on either. They each had terms they needed met. Nobody was ducking.

Do you have a source for saying Jones priced himself out because he "felt too small" then "felt too fat?" That feels like something you're pulling out of thin air.

Ngannou's last fight was against Gane. Everyone knew that. He was very open about it. He took the Gane fight, had knee surgery, and would wait out the remaining few months until his contract expired. Again, this wasn't a secret. Jones came back when it was well understood that Ngannou was leaving. Everyone who pays attention understood that he was leaving. The fact that the UFC tried to convince him to sign a new contract doesn't change it. He was very clear that he would 100% leave if the UFC didn't let him box. And the UFC was 100% clear that they wouldn't let him box. Suggesting otherwise feels like revisionist history.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

According to Dana, who also says Ngannou is too scared to fight now.



Are you an expert on fighter pay? You know what he's worth too?

He obviously wanted more money to fight for the HW title, rightfully so. And at the end of the day, he got it.

The kicker is, the only way he was getting that money is if he fought for the belt.

So this idea of him only coming back when Ngannou left is nonsense.

Unless you think he's been training to be a heavyweight for years just for fun.

Frank could've signed the contract but didn't. That's really the end of the discussion. Everything is just being disconnected from reality and creating fantasies.

bro lol sounds like you took what i said personal, Jon Jones doesn't give a fuck about you or that you are stanning him on a forum. it's hilarious how you act like i'm being ignorant and at the same time act like you know more than i do. just post the picture of all the unsigned contracts Ngannou was offered that Jon signed lol

 

[Shilajit]

bro lol sounds like you took what i said personal, Jon Jones doesn't give a fuck about you or that you are stanning him on a forum. it's hilarious how you act like i'm being ignorant and at the same time act like you know more than i do. just post the picture of all the unsigned contracts Ngannou was offered that Jon signed lol

 

[Shilajit]

bro lol sounds like you took what i said personal, Jon Jones doesn't give a fuck about you or that you are stanning him on a forum. it's hilarious how you act like i'm being ignorant and at the same time act like you know more than i do. just post the picture of all the unsigned contracts Ngannou was offered that Jon signed lol

It's not stanning. I can't say I care either way, frankly.

It's obvious most of this forum doesn't like Jones. And it's also obvious how that emotional investment effects their opinion on things like this.

No rational person says things like you'll hear in this thread. People are literally changing reality and making up this fantasy world in their heads.

Most of it is just straight up wrong on many different levels.

 

[shh]

Lets not get carried away. Some of you sound so confident. You remind me on Overeem when he said Bigfoot will be just another statistic and then he got KTFO. Jones needs to win against Stipe first. And by winning i mean he needs to win in a impressive way not in a Fatty Pimblett way.

 

[Shilajit]

Do you have a source for saying Jones priced himself out because he "felt too small" then "felt too fat?" That feels like something you're pulling out of thin air.

Ngannou's last fight was against Gane. Everyone knew that. He was very open about it. He took the Gane fight, had knee surgery, and would wait out the remaining few months until his contract expired. Again, this wasn't a secret. Jones came back when it was well understood that Ngannou was leaving. Everyone who pays attention understood that he was leaving. The fact that the UFC tried to convince him to sign a new contract doesn't change it. He was very clear that he would 100% leave if the UFC didn't let him box. And the UFC was 100% clear that they wouldn't let him box. Suggesting otherwise feels like revisionist history.

Problem with this is that Jones was training to come back for years. He's been gaining that weight and training to be a heavyweight for years.

What you're saying would be true if Jones actually decided to come back on a whim.

Jones is the one who called out Ngannou and wanted that fight to begin with. Under the pretext that the UFC paid him in accordance with the magnitude of super fight which it was.

Only way he was even fighting at HW was if the UFC paid him. Only way the UFC would pay him is if he was fighting for the belt.

There's really no scenario where he came back to HW and wasn't fighting for the title.

And Ngannou was always the guy.

For the last year you heard news about negotiations for that fight. Trying to make that fight happen. Was that all made up then? The MMA media was lying?

Jones had already signed on to fight for the belt before Ngannou had fully made his decision not to.

There was only one person who prevented the fight from happening and it's Ngannou. The fight was right there and he didn't take it.

So to turn around and act like Jones suddenly came back after Ngannou left when he's the one who first called him out, his team has been negotiating for that fight for a while and he's the one who actually signed.

It's reaching delusional level of reasoning.

 

[Marko Polo]

No. Jon was afraid of Francis.

 

[Captain Herb]

How is this a question? Ngannou called him out after the Roz fight and Jones shit his pants and had nothing to say

 

[icemun]

Jones is in the UFC and now HW champ'

Francis walked away from the highest pay of a HW, ever, to fight Jones.

Jones destroyed the #1 contender Francis went the distance with.

Francis quite MMA

The situation couldnt be more clear.

 

[theleerygoose]

All the reports were pretty clear that the fight was a done deal on Jons end. To be fair Francis isn’t a bitch and him leaving wasn’t because he was afraid of Jon.

 

[icemun]

It's not stanning. I can't say I care either way, frankly.

It's obvious most of this forum doesn't like Jones. And it's also obvious how that emotional investment effects their opinion on things like this.

No rational person says things like you'll hear in this thread. People are literally changing reality and making up this fantasy world in their heads.

Most of it is just straight up wrong on many different levels.

The contempt for Jones manifest overwhelmingly into the fantasy narrative
'He's afraid of X fighter'

Its consistant on the forum and has been expressed for every opponent ranging from Rashad, Chael, Gus, DC.

It stems from irrational hatred.

 

[cws80us]

Yes, and it would've gone similarly to the Gane fight. TD...sub

 

[Iamwill43119]

At 8 million a fight that would = a little under 2 million per round, which is ridiculous. I see why Dana is the way he is. You gotta keep the fighters hungry, or else they will sit out

 

[orca]

people acting like nganou is the only HW with 1 punch ko power
stipe has too.any HW can ko another HW
stipe is a harder match for jones because he has stamina a more well rounded fighter
while nganou wont last 5 rounds with jones if jones can grab him

 

[Christhammer]

To face Ngannou, Jones was asking for money that the UFC would never pay. Jon knew that and he knew that Francis could maybe leave the UFC. Jon never called Francis. Once Francis left, Jon set up a fight.

On Ngannou's side, perhaps he was afraid of losing to Jones. That would put an end to his dream of a big boxing match. But a win over Jones would put him in the first spot, he could make a Conor-like deal to face a top boxer.

I believe they were both afraid of each other in terms of losing their status.

Do you really think Jon Jones fears a guy with no ground game to speak of? Really?

 

[Paolo Delutis]

To face Ngannou, Jones was asking for money that the UFC would never pay. Jon knew that and he knew that Francis could maybe leave the UFC. Jon never called Francis. Once Francis left, Jon set up a fight.

On Ngannou's side, perhaps he was afraid of losing to Jones. That would put an end to his dream of a big boxing match. But a win over Jones would put him in the first spot, he could make a Conor-like deal to face a top boxer.

I believe they were both afraid of each other in terms of losing their status.

Yes he would...

Jones's only equal and enemy is himself..


Only Jones's can beat Jones...

U all said Jones is retird wont ever fight HW...and proved u all wrong...he would of fought Francis and he would probably put on a clinic of the MMA..

 

[Mammothman]

Jones showed up, Francis didn't.

No one is scared of anybody here.