Do we really need JDS vs Velasquez 3?

Maybe not right away, but eventually, you're goddamned right we'll need it.
 
With only defending the belt once, and that being a KO, I think JDS shouldn
 
I can't tell you how many times I've said it that quick finishes don't mean nearly as much dominant longer wins.

That's why a 3rd match makes much less sense than the 2nd match did; because after the 1st match you could say "well it was so quick no questions got answered"

but after the 2nd fight you can't say that, Cain dominated him everywhere and for 5 rounds.

Why would you want to see that again? The only possible reason for a 3rd fight would be to see whether or not JDS can catch him in the 1st round, otherwise you know he loses again.
 
One win for jds and he'll get a shot just like Cain
 
he had a bad night, no big deal.. he will come back stronger
i dont believe he will commit the same mistakes

a good fight would be jds vs. barnett, obviously a pretty bad match up for jds but if he beats barnett he will be ready for a title shot again
 
Michael13 said:
Cain should get the winner of Overeem/Bigfoot.

JDS should get the loser of Overeem/Bigfoot.
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I think bigfoot should get a fucking break if he loses. The guy has by then already fought Cormier, Overeem and Velasquez in 1,5 year. 3 top 5 guys. 4 top 5 guys in 2 years is pushing it.
 
LoveErica said:
During the post fight press conference Dana was pretty much gagging at the chance to put together a rubber match.
After being dominated Junior should have to string some wins together before getting another shot at the champ, to be honest he was outclassed and embarrassed.
Do people really want to see another match after the destruction we saw tonight?
And wouldnt we really rather see Overeem ,Werdum and Cormier challenge for the title?
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JDS will win his next fight and there will be a rubber. Do we need it? I think so, Cain adjusted after the first bout, JDS has a chance to adjust now - JDS seemed far more focused on countering what Cain was doing rather than implementing any of his own offence. He was paranoid about the takedown and subsequently got outstruck by an inferior striker. Nobody knows whether he can adjust for the next fight but it would be interesting to find out - A third match will likely be very different again.
 
Outside of Reem and Werdum there are no other good HW's to throw at the champ that are any better than JDS, especially since it sounds like Corimer is going to drop to 205.
 
Natman2939 said:
I can't tell you how many times I've said it that quick finishes don't mean nearly as much dominant longer wins.

That's why a 3rd match makes much less sense than the 2nd match did; because after the 1st match you could say "well it was so quick no questions got answered"

but after the 2nd fight you can't say that, Cain dominated him everywhere and for 5 rounds.

Why would you want to see that again? The only possible reason for a 3rd fight would be to see whether or not JDS can catch him in the 1st round, otherwise you know he loses again.
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For some reason I think you've competed in some combat sport or another, and generally have interesting opinions, but I really disagree this time. Ask yourself, would you rather lose by pin in wrestling, KO in boxing, ippon in judo, submission in BJJ, or finish in MMA, than lose by a one sided judges opinion?

In my case, I've competed in judo and wrestling, and I'd much rather have lost by a one sided judges decision than by ippon or pin - being finished is always far worse than losing by the judges score. Being finished is total domination, by the judges you always had a bit of a chance if there was just another few minutes.

The way I look at JDS-Cain, if in the first fight JDS had been allowed to continue beating on Cain for four more rounds, he'd have totally dominated Cain (who probably would have been unconscious. So a KO is at least as dominating as a one sided decision.

They're 1-1, and neither fight was close, or questionable ... there's no chance either was robbed by the judges. Cain needed one non-title fight to earn a rematch, the same should apply to JDS. The situations are pretty much identical.

Its quite arguable that Cain had a bad night the first night, that JDS had a bad night the second night (happens in sport, remember the Giants-Pats Superbowl, really bad time for an off night). A rubber match is needed when you have two one-sided wins, one by each side.
 
If JDS can muster up 1 maybe 2 impressive wins then yes its a no brainer for the UFC to book that match. Thats if Cain is still champ after the Reem is done with him.
 
If JDS wins his next fight and the spot is open then sure. JDS worked his way up a long time for his title shot. I'd pick JDS again in then next fight but I wouldn't be so confident obviously. Cain really surprised me last night. I've always liked Cain but I always thought he was a little overrated until last night. I really thought JDS should have been a 3 to 1 favorite.
 
Embarassed??? He made it through 5 rounds. Velasquez was KO'd in the 1st round in their last fight.

JDS' victory was far more definitive.

There needs to be a 3rd fight.
 
A third fight is definitely the right thing to do when they are 1-1. But of course JDS has to bounce back first, but I think he has it in him to improve and keep himself in the top of the division.
 
Polish Punisher said:
Embarassed??? He made it through 5 rounds. Velasquez was KO'd in the 1st round in their last fight.

JDS' victory was far more definitive.

There needs to be a 3rd fight.
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I'd say it's the absolute opposite.

Even a superior fighter can make one mistake and get knocked out. An inferior fighter can never dominate someone completely for an entire fight. Domination always says more about how a following fight would go than a quick KO does.

A clearer example is GSP vs Serra.
 
Squarechoke said:
I'd say it's the absolute opposite.

Even a superior fighter can make one mistake and get knocked out. An inferior fighter can never dominate someone completely for an entire fight. Domination always says more about how a following fight would go than a quick KO does.

A clearer example is GSP vs Serra.
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Disagree, being finished is always worse than losing by a judges decision or points. Everyone I've ever talked to in judo and wrestling, every MMA fighter or boxer I've ever heard speak says the same thing - losing by points means you were still on your feet, still in the fight. Being finished, whether by pin in wrestling, ippon in judo, submission in BJJ, KO in boxing, finish in MMA, means you were taken out of the fight. Its the most complete domination you can get.

The only people I hear saying losing a one sided decision by points is worse than being finished are fans who've never competed. There's a kind of pride in going the distance that is lost you when you're finished, and a respect for guys who go the distance with you, even if you beat them badly by points.

Fighting isn't dungeons and dragons, where if you roll a 20 you get an automatic critical hit. Fighters don't close their eyes and swing wildly, hoping to hit something. What people think of as a lucky punch (or throw in judo, or takedown in wrestling) is the result of years of practice and drilling. I could go in the cage with GSP and throw hundreds of punches, and still not get a "lucky" punch, because its not a question of random luck, of rolling the dice. Serra was able to do so because he has skills and ability that I lack. On that night, Serra was the better fighter. The next night GSP was. I'd bet on GSP if they fought again, but it doesn't change the fact that Serra earned that win, and earned it the hard way, in the gym training, and then in the cage against GSP.
 
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The heavy weight division is fairly shallow so a rematch should occur naturally if both fighters win their next fight or two. To say that JDS doesn't deserve a rematch simply because he got destroyed is ridiculous since Cain just got destroyed several months ago.

JDS will require some recovery time after his injuries, so a challenge to whoever is champion wouldn't likely occur for another year. Cain will have been challenged at least once or twice by then.
 
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