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Do people even understand what TRT is?

BlackPhillip

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Like being on TRT alone isn't tantamount to Overeems horse meat diet. Stop with your mental gymnastics to explain clear losses and chalk it up to TRT. It's embarrassing.
 
TRT is legal roids. Please don't tell me you think they're replacing to levels which are normal for their age? Most doctors happily put older guys into the very top of the range, and some even let them go a bit further.

And why do they need TRT in the first place? Because of being persistent steroid users. For a large number of guys who use steroids, their baseline levels of testosterone drop slightly lower after cycles, even with proper PCT and HCG etc.

Most guys on TRT who fight are tested with "slightly elevated" levels of testosterone. They're basically blasting and cruising and getting away with it. Ir people like Jon who aren't even prescribed TRT walk in with impossible T:E ratios but it's quickly forgotten.
 
Its testosterone

Do you know what steroids are?

Testosterone

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Like being on TRT alone isn't tantamount to Overeems horse meat diet. Stop with your mental gymnastics to explain clear losses and chalk it up to TRT. It's embarrassing.

TRT user here. I'm 35 and feel like a 20 year-old, I take a short ester aswell (NEBIDO) I'm living proof that TRT usage in sports is BS, it improves baseline strength and recovery, especially when you're older. I've hit all my PB's in the last 3 years. TRT removes the inconsistency that comes with natural testosterone levels and once steady (after a few months) you feel much improved. For guys that are competing at the very highest level, with perfect nutrition and training, they carry a HUGE advantage.
 
Like being on TRT alone isn't tantamount to Overeems horse meat diet. Stop with your mental gymnastics to explain clear losses and chalk it up to TRT. It's embarrassing.

So what? You get the 20+ years of fighting experience plus a body of a twenty year man. Doesn't look to be fair to me.
 
No, I think many around here understand it perfectly well. We also understand that certain fighters were taking advantage of it and using more than they should. It was always a questionable thing from the start, but it became obvious very quickly that some guys were abusing the system.
 
TRT is not a monolithic thing, how much T a doc lets a guy use, and what a guy does behind his docs back varies.
 
TRT user here. I'm 35 and feel like a 20 year-old, I take a short ester aswell (NEBIDO) I'm living proof that TRT usage in sports is BS, it improves baseline strength and recovery, especially when you're older. I've hit all my PB's in the last 3 years. TRT removes the inconsistency that comes with natural testosterone levels and once steady (after a few months) you feel much improved. For guys that are competing at the very highest level, with perfect nutrition and training, they carry a HUGE advantage.

Theres no reason you should be on trt at 35 unless youre a former steroid user that fucked up his gonads
 
It's a substance that has no bearing on fighter performance, which is why so many of them take it. Right?
 
Theres no reason you should be on trt at 35 unless youre a former steroid user that fucked up his gonads

No. I've had hypogonadism (diagnosed since 16) and maintained at baseline level for well over a decade (nmol 5-8) I could have stayed that way but didn't want to risk dropping any further (it impacts WAY too much) - contrary to popular belief, you dont have to have taken gear (which I never have) to be on TRT. A LOT of men are given it these days by just having below average levels. Doctors in the UK are lapse.
 
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