Do firearms make people dumber?

[MixMartialFarts]

The whole "a person that distrubed is gonna find a way to muder people regardless" argument is stupid. The US is the only country where guns are readily available to the average person and thats where the vast majority of these mass shootings take place. In other countries where guns are a lot more difficult to get a hold of these sad sacks of shit just hang themselves alone in their basement. Give them easy access to a gun and they figure "what the hell im gonna off myself anyways, might as well take as many people with me and get my revenge on the world."

 

[Blackdanger***]

Have you read anything in this thread at all? Countries that have banned guns have experienced an overall increase in crime since the ban and a very minimal effect on gun crime laws. Some countries even watched the gun crimes go up after the ban.

Since the AR ban expired in 2004 the number of people killed in mass shooting have nearly tripled http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/14/did-the-federal-ban-on-assault-weapons-matter/

In 1996, Australia banned semi-automatics. In the 18 years before, there were 13 mass shootings. Since then, none. http://jeffsachs.org/2012/12/time-to-stop-the-massacres/

From UUS Conservative Davrid Frum: Fantasy of armed citizens felling a mass murderer in blaze of 2nd amendment bullets are

 

[Real_Magi]

The whole "a person that distrubed is gonna find a way to muder people regardless" argument is stupid. The US is the only country where guns are readily available to the average person and thats where the vast majority of these mass shootings take place. In other countries where guns are a lot more difficult to get a hold of these sad sacks of shit just hang themselves alone in their basement. Give them easy access to a gun and they figure "what the hell im gonna off myself anyways, might as well take as many people with me and get my revenge on the world."

Yeah, you may want to actually read instead of just jumping to assumptions...

How many times do I have to say that crime increases post gun man and post a source before you guys stop spouting the same false rhetoric?

You know that AUstralia's crime rate is double that of the US?

You know that the US crime rate is at an all time low and continues to drop?

Australia's crime rates have climbed since the ban on guns and residents of australia are using anything they can to slaughter others. Now swords are illegal (lol) because so many people are using them to chop people up in violent killing sprees. Even laser pointers are banned in Australia for god's sake.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott27.html

 

[Phreaxer]

The whole "a person that distrubed is gonna find a way to muder people regardless" argument is stupid. The US is the only country where guns are readily available to the average person and thats where the vast majority of these mass shootings take place. In other countries where guns are a lot more difficult to get a hold of these sad sacks of shit just hang themselves alone in their basement. Give them easy access to a gun and they figure "what the hell im gonna off myself anyways, might as well take as many people with me and get my revenge on the world."

Your logic is flawed.

Anders Behring Breivik (Norway)
The most violent mass shooting in the last decade, Breivik shot and killed 69 people on the Norwegian island Ut

 

[Real_Magi]

Since the AR ban expired in 2004 the number of people killed in mass shooting have nearly tripled http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/14/did-the-federal-ban-on-assault-weapons-matter/

In 1996, Australia banned semi-automatics. In the 18 years before, there were 13 mass shootings. Since then, none. http://jeffsachs.org/2012/12/time-to-stop-the-massacres/

From UUS Conservative Davrid Frum: Fantasy of armed citizens felling a mass murderer in blaze of 2nd amendment bullets are … fantasies.

In the last 30 years of mass shootings in US, in not one single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun.http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1

So they dropped the number of mass shootings by getting rid of guns?? OMG SAY IT AINT SO!!! Yeah, never mind the fact that it actually caused CRIME OVERALL to rise and now they have banned stupid things like laser pointers.

They weren't stopped by civilians using guns because people in cities have a stupid, misconstrued idea of firearms and don't ever use them. The murderers target cities as well as situations where easy targets are abound. What the fuck do you think would happen if they went to some NRA convention and tried that shit?

Number of people killed by AR's has tripled... ok, that's logical because the AR ban expired. What you're failing to post is the fact that crime rates have actually dropped over all since that time.

Use your fucking head man. Gun crimes rates are nothing in light of crime rates overall and only an idiot or someone with an agenda would post gun crime rates without taking the overall crime rate into consideration.

 

[D Train]

Gun crimes rates are nothing in light of crime rates overall and only an idiot or someone with an agenda would post gun crime rates without taking the overall crime rate into consideration.

That happens all the time though.

 

[new_mexico1]

That happens all the time though.

Most of the time you'll see them post up all the gun death numbers. Some keep repeating it here and it keeps getting ignored by most. Half of all gun deaths in this country are suicides. Fucking half. That is ridiculous. Why are all these people getting the point of suicide and why are so many not getting the help they need? That is a bigger question. Yes, getting people proper mental healthcare isn't gonna stop all suicides but it's gonna put a big dent in the numbers.

Then you gotta think about drug laws and our drug culture. I'm not sure on the numbers but I wonder how much of the gun crime goes to gangs and others warring it out for drugs, money and turf. It has to be another good chunk. And unlike the mentally ill, these people are truly the ones who will keep killing each other.

You fix these real problems and the numbers completely change and we can truly decide what needs to be done whether it's bans, restrictions, better regulation, education, etc. Everyone right away jumping on guns is not just bad for gun owners but for the whole country.

 

[new_mexico1]

The bullets are small. I think they are powered a bit too much, which is why I was asking. Now, for taking down game, no. They aren't really up to par for a hunting round.

So what do you mean powered too much? Are you talking about like ballistics?

 

[Noblet10]

Most of the time you'll see them post up all the gun death numbers. Some keep repeating it here and it keeps getting ignored by most. Half of all gun deaths in this country are suicides. Fucking half. That is ridiculous. Why are all these people getting the point of suicide and why are so many not getting the help they need? That is a bigger question. Yes, getting people proper mental healthcare isn't gonna stop all suicides but it's gonna put a big dent in the numbers.

Then you gotta think about drug laws and our drug culture. I'm not sure on the numbers but I wonder how much of the gun crime goes to gangs and others warring it out for drugs, money and turf. It has to be another good chunk. And unlike the mentally ill, these people are truly the ones who will keep killing each other.

You fix these real problems and the numbers completely change and we can truly decide what needs to be done whether it's bans, restrictions, better regulation, education, etc. Everyone right away jumping on guns is not just bad for gun owners but for the whole country.

Agreed, banning guns just seems an easy way out for most. Whether you agree with it or not, just banning guns is somewhat overlooking much bigger problems.

 

[blokeybloke]

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...to_make_safer_guns_too_bad_gunmakers_don.html

 

[Malas]

You type like a goddamn moron, TS.

 

[Pugilistic]

Your logic is flawed.

There's also a the guy who stabbed 22 kids with a knife and a student who killed 9 people with knife in china.

 

[bjjHERRERA]

Well there are a lot of hunting rifles in Canada. Not so much hand guns although purchasing them is legal provided you have the right paperwork and licensing.

Forget about assault rifles here.

People just feel naturally safe here. People own guns largely for their own leisure and not for their own protection. It's very much a cultural issue.

whatever you guys are doing up there seems to be working and we could learn from it.

 

[Supereem]

If somebody with the warped mentality and suicidal determination wants to shoot up a school, no gun law of any kind can stop it.

Prevention begins with the parental or guardian upbringing.

Well I live in a country where it is almost impossible for me to acquire a firearm, so I can safety say the likely hood of this happening in Australia is second to none.

 

[Real_Magi]

Well I live in a country where it is almost impossible for me to acquire a firearm, so I can safety say the likely hood of this happening in Australia is second to none.

And yet your violent crime rate is double that of the US.

 

[Supereem]

And yet your violent crime rate is double that of the US.

OKay dipshit how many spree killings have happened here in the last decade? One, and it was shitty.


We are Australian's, most of our violent crimes are us punching on at the pub, not shooting each other like you cowards. We have a hell of a lot of drunken violence but that has no relation to guns. Im sure one of you cowards would love the idea of bringing a concealed weapon into a club to defend yourself though.

Gun crime is almost entirely limited to bikie shoot outs, which itself is very rare. Normal people don't really have guns over here.

 

[Big Sissy]

Cops dont seem to have a problem controlling a situation with a firearm. I see them stop gang members and armed ppl all the time and control the situation. Ive been stopped while armed and had my weapon taken away by a cop.

Its good to have a weapon to take control of a bad situation immediately (ive done this a few times) before it escalates. It's also good to have a weapon if someone breaks into your house so that you level the playing field and protect your family.

A gun isnt a magic wand any more than knowing martial arts is. They are both beneficial in a lot of situations but neither solves everything

 

[new_mexico1]

OKay dipshit how many spree killings have happened here in the last decade? One, and it was shitty.


We are Australian's, most of our violent crimes are us punching on at the pub, not shooting each other like you cowards. We have a hell of a lot of drunken violence but that has no relation to guns. Im sure one of you cowards would love the idea of bringing a concealed weapon into a club to defend yourself though.

Gun crime is almost entirely limited to bikie shoot outs, which itself is very rare. Normal people don't really have guns over here.

Haha. Why is it cool for everyone on this site to go on and on about how shitty the U.S. but when a comment is made about another you freak out? His comment wasn't even really all that bad and you get completely uncivil.

 

[Phreaxer]

So what do you mean powered too much? Are you talking about like ballistics?

Yes, the bullet is too small and light to be powered as high as it is. At least that's my opinion.

OKay dipshit how many spree killings have happened here in the last decade? One, and it was shitty.

We are Australian's, most of our violent crimes are us punching on at the pub, not shooting each other like you cowards. We have a hell of a lot of drunken violence but that has no relation to guns. Im sure one of you cowards would love the idea of bringing a concealed weapon into a club to defend yourself though.

Gun crime is almost entirely limited to bikie shoot outs, which itself is very rare. Normal people don't really have guns over here.

Nice personal attacks... Overlooking that: You have more violent crime. We have more shootings, big deal. I'd rather have LESS crime and more shootings than MORE violent crime... And you have less gun issues because your goverment was able to convince your countryfolk that giving up their guns was a good idea... If the people who surrendered their guns had learned from history, they would have been smarter than turning in their guns. Instead, they have successfully turned themselves into subjects and victims. Great work.

Haha. Why is it cool for everyone on this site to go on and on about how shitty the U.S. but when a comment is made about another you freak out? His comment wasn't even really all that bad and you get completely uncivil.

Racists. It's funny that all these 'experts' can not make coherant arguments without getting just blantantly rude and ignorant.

 

[KOCowboy]

i wonder if any anti gun people have any experience with guns or do they just see them as a mystical object that only legends get to use or something