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in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
 
The good instructors will tailor the techniques, philosophies and strategies to the student.
 
devante said:
in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
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good technique will aways maximize your physical abilities.
 
Jiujitsu is different though I think because no matter who you are, body type, strength, conditioning, etc - your game will evolve to your strengths anyway. A good teacher will help you emphasize those things though.
 
devante said:
in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
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I don't wanna be the new white belt telling an experienced brown belt what to do, but your post is pretty hard to read. It would be a lot easier to read if you didn't use "texting" grammar and spelling. No insult intended, I just wanted to let you know.
 
Devante is known for his shitty spelling and grammar.

Sure it's frustrating as hell and annoying (as internet/text speak tends to be), but it's easy to understand.

Devante can't be bothered though. He's obviously above things like grammar and making sure his posts are easy on the eyes.
 
anaconda said:
Jiujitsu is different though I think because no matter who you are, body type, strength, conditioning, etc - your game will evolve to your strengths anyway. A good teacher will help you emphasize those things though.
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I wholeheartedly agree, but i make my guys work more on their weaknesses as they get closer to the next belt. I teach everyone the same stuff, but I also look for what their body type and abilities would best be suited for. EX: If a guy is tailor-made for the butterfly guard, I will push for him to try to work that more and show him some extra moves on the position, but in the end it is up to the student to do so. I tell everyone that they will come into their game and a person should not have to ask me if they are improving, because they will start to see their progress payoff.
 
devante said:
in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
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Whats a 'volume' guy?
 
exactly guy who throws punches in bunches, often lacks power and is not always an accurate guy; wins by landing alot of punches (scoring points) or by wearing an opp down w/the workrate.

examples-
kassim ouma-joe calzaghe
 
devante said:
in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
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ya there is different styles in bjj most definately, there are the guys that prefer bottom position over top position, prefer full guard, prefer half guard, prefer top position... always in bjj the whole class is taught the position, submission, sweep etc of the week usually, learning a certain move for the whole week, such as passing the guard, but we will learn 2 or 3 different ways to pass the guard... then you drill the shit outta these passes, no matter what your style so everyone knows them, and you can adapt what you want to your game
 
devante said:
in boxing there is the rule u can't turn a puncher into a boxer, a boxer into a puncher, a brawler into a boxer, a boxer into a volume guy, a def guy into an offensive guy, an offensive guy into a counter guy, a counter guy into a offensive guy and so on.

basically stating u can improve elements of their games, make them a better puncher, boxer, throw more punches, be more def aware or offensively capable; but u can't change them and if u do, u waste said fighters talents/abilities.

i wanted to know is it the same for grappling, is there a set of styles or applications of the same skill grappling; an doe trainers, coaches tailor it to fit the body type, ability and comfort of the grappler.

i.e. ur a big strong guy, they make u more technical; but still let u dev and use ur adv ur size strength or maybe an explosive guy...

do trainers kinda of dev ur game based on ur habits etc-i.e. maybe a more submission oriented game, control game, fast paced, patient, etc
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That is a great question/post.

I have noticed in Judo and wrestling that a coach WILL indeed try to tailor a series or group of techniques or game to a body type or physical attribute moreso that what I have seen done in BJJ for example.

Again this is just on my experience but in BJJ classes I have been a part of the entire class pretty much drills the same techniques throughout the class and the students basically develop a style on their own.

In wrestling , while the class "may drill" the same techniques I have seen coaches break up guys based on size or attributes.
For instance the wrestling coach may take guys over 180lbs and have them work greco type throws instead of leg attacks for that portion of class.

Those have been my observations.
 
When I teach and coach guys I do try to see what they naturally seem to flow into.

When I was first learning BJJ and wrestling and subs, there were techniques and strategies that I could tell the instructors liked and emphasized, but I could also see that some of their favorite techniques didn't work as well for me as others.

Some of my instructors were small guys with a largely gi-BJJ background. I am very big and definitely a no-gi practioner. Too often those instructors were teaching me things that just were not going to work well with me, particularly given my size. And neglected or were unaware, at times, of techniques that would have been better for me.

In MMA I always emphasize the word "Mixed". Over the years I have had several excellent instructors at several schools, as well as taking advantage of a large library of DVDs and instructionals, seminar, etc.. No two instructors teach quite the same things or the same way.

I have a list of several hundreds of techniques in the outline I use for teaching. I'll typically have about ten different subs or escapes or other techniques from a particular position. I'll see that out of the ten 2-3 will work right away for some guys and another 2-3 from the same list work quickly and well for others. I eventually have them know them all, but some will do better with particular ones than others.

IN ANY CASE it is a mistake just to stay with the stuff you, or people you teach, are most comfortable with. AGAIN it is MMA, and you need a mix of everything, and you need to work on you WEAKNESSES and not just improving what you are already or naturally good at doing.

A few months ago there was a big UFC fight. In it was a guy I helped coach a little a couple of years ago. I missed seeing the live fight but got calls from some of the guys that I used to train, along with him. They asked if I had seen the fight and has I seen how our guy lost - and he didn't use the techniques that I taught. When I checked out the recording of the fight it was obvious what happened.

The guy is great at standup and very powerful there too. When I gave him a little coaching, a couple of years before, I could see he had no defenses and no escapes from the ground. I had him flat on his back in a practice grappling session and he was helpless at getting away from me. I spent that time with him trying to teach him what to do if he's on his back on the bottom. It was obvious to all of us who saw him lose his recent fight that he had neglected that completely because a mediocre opponent had managed to get past his striking and put him down on his back. He couldn't get away, couldn't get up, and eventually got submitted.

Keep the MIX in training MMA.
 
Piper said:
When I teach and coach guys I do try to see what they naturally seem to flow into.

When I was first learning BJJ and wrestling and subs, there were techniques and strategies that I could tell the instructors liked and emphasized, but I could also see that some of their favorite techniques didn't work as well for me as others.

Some of my instructors were small guys with a largely gi-BJJ background. I am very big and definitely a no-gi practioner. Too often those instructors were teaching me things that just were not going to work well with me, particularly given my size. And neglected or were unaware, at times, of techniques that would have been better for me.

In MMA I always emphasize the word "Mixed". Over the years I have had several excellent instructors at several schools, as well as taking advantage of a large library of DVDs and instructionals, seminar, etc.. No two instructors teach quite the same things or the same way.

I have a list of several hundreds of techniques in the outline I use for teaching. I'll typically have about ten different subs or escapes or other techniques from a particular position. I'll see that out of the ten 2-3 will work right away for some guys and another 2-3 from the same list work quickly and well for others. I eventually have them know them all, but some will do better with particular ones than others.

IN ANY CASE it is a mistake just to stay with the stuff you, or people you teach, are most comfortable with. AGAIN it is MMA, and you need a mix of everything, and you need to work on you WEAKNESSES and not just improving what you are already or naturally good at doing.

A few months ago there was a big UFC fight. In it was a guy I helped coach a little a couple of years ago. I missed seeing the live fight but got calls from some of the guys that I used to train, along with him. They asked if I had seen the fight and has I seen how our guy lost - and he didn't use the techniques that I taught. When I checked out the recording of the fight it was obvious what happened.

The guy is great at standup and very powerful there too. When I gave him a little coaching, a couple of years before, I could see he had no defenses and no escapes from the ground. I had him flat on his back in a practice grappling session and he was helpless at getting away from me. I spent that time with him trying to teach him what to do if he's on his back on the bottom. It was obvious to all of us who saw him lose his recent fight that he had neglected that completely because a mediocre opponent had managed to get past his striking and put him down on his back. He couldn't get away, couldn't get up, and eventually got submitted.

Keep the MIX in training MMA.
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being rounded is the key, at the same time; at least in boxing/etc, they build from ur point of strength. If ur a volume guy, i tighten up ur punches, spacing, an broaden the range of punches u use, as well as footwork so u can come from diff angles. In other words i make u more of a boxer. U add on to the game, but u don't try to necessarily change it; basically u help someone grow by adjusting their game/refining it and adding to it, but u don't make them into something they are not.
 
on the weekends i teach class to mostly honolulu police officers, which tend to be bigger guys. obviously im not going to teach them gogoplata's and inverted triangles. i teach them big man moves obviously. a lot of underhooking to sweeps. a lot of sidemount submissions and mount control. also a lot of get to your knees/feet when a guy is trying to pass your guard. things that cater more to the student.
 
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