Differences in skill between blue belts

Agree with the Fist.
Stylistic problems are for real.

But still though, some get belts easier than others, and blue in particular. I have met some blue belts who gets tooled by most experienced whites, and it is all over horrible to watch.
 
BenWS said:
The only reason i mentioned Royce is that he is known to give out bluebelts if you just go to one of his seminars.
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So you have seen him do this? Or train with someone who is a terrible blue awarded by Royce?
 
thanks guys for the response..i'm pretty sure he's been training for a couple of years so he probably got it for all the mat time he's put in
 
There is a big range in skill level at every belt color. I don't think the range is any bigger at blue than the other belts.

I would say the biggest missmatches happen at white.
 
everyone is just on a different skill level. my intrsuctors always tell me that winning at the blue belt level in a tourney is very hard. considering you can have alot of sandbaggers and the time between blue and purple can be 2 years or longer.everyone has off days also.
 
My instructor was telling me he spent almost 5 years as a blue and then went from purple to black in like a year. Blue can be a huge range of ability.
 
Style matchups can be a real bitch sometimes. I'm a blue belt, there is a whitebelt X that I can tool the hell out of. I make him tap 3 times a minute minimum. Another blue belt can barely tap him once in 10 mins, but that same blue belt dominates me like he's my dad. Another white belt, Y, gets tooled by this other blue belt, but catches me pretty regularly. It's weird and frustrating and gives you totally different ideas of your skill level depending on who you roll with in a given day.
 
it really depends on where you roll. I have rolled at many different academys on the west coast, I am now with the BJJ Revolution Team at Tucson Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Professor Demetrius Ramos, a Carlson Gracie Team Black Belt and home of the recent 2008 Leve Brown Belt World Champion Ryan Beauregard BJJ Revolution Team - Ryan Beauregard 08 World Champion! Video

we roll hard, our blue belts are hungry demons, all of them. I have been wrestling almost my whole life at a very high level, we have un-athletic goofy blue belts that will hit vicious chokes. Demetrius holds back belts for a LONG TIME, as it should be till you prove yourself on the mat, some schools are CRAZY FAKE.

My best advice is find a better academy, belts should not be favors...
 
I got my blue recently well...recently have been on a long injury lay off.

I went back and rolled with a white belt the dude got me in a guillotine and re-aggravated my neck cause I tried to fight it off a little too long. We went again and he shot the guillotine again when I realized that the way I was entering his guard I was leaving my neck out there I got a long neck so I'm vulnerable to chokes.

So what I told the guy good choke after he tapped me and moved on. I'm definetaly better the him technically but I was making a mistake, was coming off a layoff and was going slow to warm-up he got me fair and square.

I caught a brown with a top down triangle in the first 2 weeks I started grappling. Didn't think anything of it then don't think anything of it now.

Just keep training and learning.
 
DeathNTaxes said:
I got my blue recently well...recently have been on a long injury lay off.

I went back and rolled with a white belt the dude got me in a guillotine and re-aggravated my neck cause I tried to fight it off a little too long. We went again and he shot the guillotine again when I realized that the way I was entering his guard I was leaving my neck out there I got a long neck so I'm vulnerable to chokes.

So what I told the guy good choke after he tapped me and moved on. I'm definetaly better the him technically but I was making a mistake, was coming off a layoff and was going slow to warm-up he got me fair and square.

I caught a brown with a top down triangle in the first 2 weeks I started grappling. Didn't think anything of it then don't think anything of it now.

Just keep training and learning.
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With under 2 weeks of grappling training, you triangled a brown belt?
 
Maybe he was giving you subs. I do that for inexperienced students all the time. You should not be able to tap any blue belt 3 times in 5 minutes.
 
Really, there is no excuse for a blue belt to be caught by a 2 week white especially if he has a 70 lb weight advantage.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. At my worst, and even when I'm dead exhausted, there is no way in hell a 2 week white belt 70 lbs lighter than me will get the tap. I may let him chill in a dominant position while I regain my wind, but I've never been tapped like the blue in this guy's story.

The only real excuse for this guy is if the white was pulling some bullshit like a face/jaw/neck lock, elbow in eye, or some other dirty ass jiu jitsu.
 
D-Train said:
Maybe he was giving you subs. I do that for inexperienced students all the time. You should not be able to tap any blue belt 3 times in 5 minutes.
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no i can tell when the other blues are letting me get subs..he wasn't. Every time i caught him he'd get all pissed and cuss under his breath and stuff and after we rolled he just left and acted all mad
 
There's a bunch of reasons for such a huge difference:
- You also have to take into account that a blue belt doesn't necessarily translate to blue belt performance without the Gi (that's if you're primarily a No-Gi guy)
- There's a few blue belts I know off the top of my head that I can say "the instructor forgot to promote him..."
- there could be different reasons WHY the person attained a blue belt depending on the instructor, I've never personally rolled with anyone like that but I hear stories about how some people get a bluebelt because their mount/sidemount is SUPERgood but their guard/guard passing sucks (for their level)
 
DeathNTaxes said:
I got my blue recently well...recently have been on a long injury lay off.

I went back and rolled with a white belt the dude got me in a guillotine and re-aggravated my neck cause I tried to fight it off a little too long. We went again and he shot the guillotine again when I realized that the way I was entering his guard I was leaving my neck out there I got a long neck so I'm vulnerable to chokes.

So what I told the guy good choke after he tapped me and moved on. I'm definetaly better the him technically but I was making a mistake, was coming off a layoff and was going slow to warm-up he got me fair and square.

I caught a brown with a top down triangle in the first 2 weeks I started grappling. Didn't think anything of it then don't think anything of it now.

Just keep training and learning.
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I hope you are smart enough that you have stopped training at that trash gym already.
 
I don't train Gi jiu-jitsu, I'm going to start this summer. That being said I train no-gi and MMA and I typically roll with some legit brown belts at our gym. People tell me I'm like a high blue belt or low purple belt level, and I can catch brown belts. Conversely guys who are at "blue belt" level can catch me.

The other thing as has been touched on is styles match up. Coming from a wrestling background I can outwrestle most people, but I oddly enough prefer playing an open/ submission oriented guard game. Some guys have my style figured out and give me fits. Other guys just don't match up well with me (other guard players who I force to play top game by pulling guard).

I've found there is a big difference in abilities though between people who are legit (gi) blue belts and people who are referred to as "blue belt level grapplers" by my trainer and the better guys at the gym.

The difference between blue and purple is the biggest jump from what everyone tells me. At blue people kind of have the standard ammo (armbars, triangles, d'arce etc.). Purple is where you really start to flow from sub a, to sub b, and just keep going from move to move to move. This has been my experience grappling with people of various belts at least.
 
BenWS said:
The only reason i mentioned Royce is that he is known to give out bluebelts if you just go to one of his seminars.
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Tht's bullshit. I've heard he promotes at seminars a lot which some people generally find fishy. But I've been to a Royce seminar and no one was promoted. Good seminar focusing on basics, too.
 
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